In what order do you think restrictions would be brought back in?

[Fololomolo]

I am just wondering what would be first. Closing cafes and pubs? Closing sports buildings? Closing schools? I know a lot of people think these should now stay open and economy needs to move on. But if numbers start rising again exponentially the government will probably need to react.

I think schools will be the last thing that shut.

@TheDragQueen

You must have started salivating when you read that.

This is the flip side of 'you just want people to die' when someone suggests going to the supermarket.

Glass half empty and glass half full people are all basically good people trying to do their best.

Being so angry with other people won't help.

I’m not angry. More pity.

Drag it’s clear what the topic of this thread is. You can add to it with what you think or get angry and have a go.

@TheDragQueen

I’m not angry. More pity.

Pity is also othering and implies superiority.

We are all just good people trying to navigate something we didn't expect to have to deal with.

Others could equally pity you, but I don't, because in the end you are as likely to be right as me.

Drag people posting here won’t impact the outcome, if it stresses you avoid it.

Btw do you think there won’t be any more restrictions if numbers go up. Or numbers won’t go up?

You can answer and add positivity if you want.

Anything which does not have an economic impact will be the first things to stop. I suspect it will be things like mixing of households which will be prevented first together with increased isolation of the vulnerable.

Hopefully none apart from limiting people meeting in each other’s homes.

Unless it’s for childcare reasons.

I was at my mums last week and we’re both rule followers and even then we accidentally got too close! And I almost hugged her.

Going into someone’s house brings a false sense of security, I think.

But then we’re all different and I’m definitely no expert

The government have been very clear that schools would be the last thing to close. I agree, WFH may be encouraged but it will be mostly about restricting social gatherings. Perhaps localised lockdowns but I am not convinced they will actually shut down businesses. Though in some ways maybe that will be worse, as there will be less footfall in towns, yet no financial help for businesses. I feel so so so sorry for anyone in the retail/hospitality industries and all other industries affected. Even at the most stressful times during the peak, I was always very grateful I had a secure job, even though it has meant I haven't had a break.

If the rule of 6 doesn't work, I think they'll start to limit people to their own areas. No travel more than 10miles except to work or school.

Limit opening hours of licensed premises, closing at 10 maybe. They won't want to close retail with Xmas coming up.

I think there is speculation that the vulnerable will be asked to isolate again. Just wondering how many teachers would be in that category.

I would hope in the order that most transmission happens in.

But I would hope that schools remain open. Also supermarkets.

I would have more restrictions on shops etc and limits of numbers.

Perhaps food outlets to become take out only and/or dining outside.

Things like sports clubs etc are already really controlled. They are same people mixing each time so imo (not scientific based!) they'd be less of a risk than say a pub or restaurant.

Yes it will be a balance looking at where most transmission occurs versus which has biggest impact on economy. I guess family meeting each other doesn’t impact on economy and has quite high transmission risk so it makes sense for that to be restricted first.

Things like sports clubs etc are already really controlled. They are same people mixing each time so imo (not scientific based!) they'd be less of a risk than say a pub or restaurant.

The problem is these groupings are more likely to a)relax and b) spend lots of time together

It is so hard - lots of very brief interactions vs small number of longer interactions??

I don't have access to the modelling!!

I'd like to think parents of medically vulnerable children will be given the option of keeping their children home without fines as cases rise locally.....but that would be ridiculous obviously.

@Bupkis

I'd like to think parents of medically vulnerable children will be given the option of keeping their children home without fines as cases rise locally.....but that would be ridiculous obviously.

I agree.

I think the fines will be challenged, surely for ecv families, expect this is why many schools have openly said 'last resort'.

The problem is there aren't the resources to police meetings in the home

Thank god. I don't want to live in a country where they police who visits my home.

I'm not sure they will do anything till the hospital admissions start rising

At the moment it appears as though the cases are rising but those in hospital aren't - which might point to the cases being more in young people who are less likely to need hospital treatment?

With around half of deaths occurring in care homes last time then the unpalatable truth is that care workers will be pressured to remain on site - daily testing of staff is not feasible, and is, indeed at present, a Moonshot.
The vulnerable will be asked to isolate, locally first, nationally if not effective. Activities not economically positive will be restricted. Law has been passed to penalise non compliance, this will be heavily enforced.
University restart is very under close scrutiny and looks marginal. Schools will remain open, just as long as public support holds.

Possibly repeat I'm thinking of ds swim club.

They have lanes which are constant bubbles. SD queuing up outside. Feed in lane by lane.
SD poolside and no use of changing rooms.

No mixing outside of club (well at school they are!)

And 2 COVID liaison officers as well as coaches managing all this.

Certainly is safer than going to pub. But this in anecdotal to my experience.

I think you're right re other sports. Football etc is usually at local clubhouses with bars! I would imagine their mixing is greater!

I think shielding will be re-introduced and the focus will be on leisure /social gatherings. To keep work and schools going. Not sure what will happen to businessses focused on social gathering.

First I believe a 10pm curfew on pubs and restaurants would help. Second close gyms ( sadly) but feel like they could be sources of spreading.Bring in proper quarantine after flights. Close cinemas. Strongly encourage over 70s and vulnerable to reduce outside interactions- support financially if necessary.Keep schools open until the last.

Oh yes and stop attendance at sporting events.

I don't think it needs to be all sporting events @rookiemere. My local non league football club is currently allowed a maximum of 300 people in the crowd and the ground holds up to 3000. They have a test and trace app and are enforcing social distancing. If they can't allow the fans in they are in danger of going under.

@Bupkis

I'd like to think parents of medically vulnerable children will be given the option of keeping their children home without fines as cases rise locally.....but that would be ridiculous obviously.

I think they should offer all parents the option so as to reduce numbers in schools and colleges. Many will start to pull their children anyway as cases rise and bubbles burst.