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Do people realise that if their child's bubble bursts.....

439 replies

IfYouCantSeeMyMirrors · 12/09/2020 18:12

.....and that child is therefore sent home from school for 14 days, the child is supposed to stay solely within their own house or garden for that entire period? They might be completely well for the full 14 days, but during that time, they can't take any walks. No bike rides. No drives in the car. If they haven't got a garden, they cannot go outside at all.

Many, many children are going to be in this position very soon - quite possibly multiple times - and it goes some way beyond the initial lockdown situation.

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SexTrainGlue · 13/09/2020 07:50

It's not quite the same as lockdown.

During lockdown, unless shielded, daily outdoors excessive was permitted as were trips to shops for essentials.

When isolating, you simply do not go out at all, and your cohabitants need to minimise contact with you. Which is difficult in most homes (and why some households with a shielded person decided they all needed to isolate together)

Councils should still have hubs for support services for those who need to isolate, and there are many community groups who will help as well

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/09/2020 07:51

@FinnyStory

The guidance isn't unclear, schools refer to the Local Health Protection and jointly RA the contacts. The guidance is actually extremely clear that you don't close a bubble at the first case.

A lot of the guidance for schools has been unclear, that is certainly true, but it's not unclear on this aspect.

I disagree with Marsha; I know that our school, and all local schools, are taking all advice directly from local PH advisors. The head doesn't have that authority.

Where whole year groups have been sent home it's come from PH working with and instructing the school.

But the NE is now on a watch list so I expect they're being very careful.

Subordinatethatclause · 13/09/2020 07:52

Staying at home not so much of an issue (despite no garden... not sure a walk round the streets with zero contact is a risk to ANYONE).

Isolating within the home is impossible. DCs share a room. One bathroom. And they're young. Kids need cuddles.

OverTheRainbow88 · 13/09/2020 07:52

Unless a member of our household has a positive test I won’t be keeping my kids inside for 2 weeks if one of their bubble goes down. We can go on so many walks/cycles around here that we won’t bump into a soul. They are wary risers as well so would happily be out the house by 6.30am!

OverTheRainbow88 · 13/09/2020 07:52

Meant early risers

RedRiverShore · 13/09/2020 07:53

If you have got a big house and garden and don't work or wfh it won't be too bad, I guess most that say it is ok and get on with it probably have these things

RedCatBlueCat · 13/09/2020 07:54

So, Torvean, I ask again, what is an episode of coughing?

RedCatBlueCat

Grrretel so a single cough counts as an episode? Thank you.

No a single cough is not an episode of coughing.

a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

MarshaBradyo · 13/09/2020 07:57

It’d be good to know how many children go on to get symptoms, and after this other family members (as they may be asymptomatic).

Maybe schools should ask people to fill in a form.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 13/09/2020 08:03

Bubbles bursting was just what the teachers said would happen as bubbles too large and SD not possible in schools.
This is why teachers were concerned and blended learning was suggested to reduce the risk of multiple 14 day isolations and the inequality it brings.
But no teachers were judt workshy!!

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/09/2020 08:06

Bang on Northern.

Stinkyguineapig · 13/09/2020 08:11

Everyone I know who is trade self employed, worked throughout lockdown. Certainly the building site opposite my house was rammed with blokes the whole time.

My DH worked (not full time) throughout lockdown. He is SE and cant WFH. He was the only person in his workplace.
A lot of people (and media) confused the message that only key workers could go to work, which wasnt the case. It was wfh if you can. It was permissible to go to work if your workplace was open, and you couldnt wfh.

LolaSmiles · 13/09/2020 08:13

Northernsoulgirl45
Well said.

It would be really interesting to see how many people now complaining about the impact of the new school opening arrangements were on threads in the last few months claiming teachers were workshy, wouldn't last a minute in the real world and should think more positively.

Underhisi · 13/09/2020 08:25

"Well the 90,000 DC who were required to shield managed it for 3-4 months. First time daily outdoors exercise was permitted for the shielded was June."

It was advised to shield. Some didn't do it. Ds didn't for exactly the same reasons that he won't be able to isolate for repeated 14 day periods.

Remmy123 · 13/09/2020 08:26

Surely you can take your kid round the block on a scooter?? Or an empty park?

Kaktus · 13/09/2020 08:29

@Underhisi

"Well the 90,000 DC who were required to shield managed it for 3-4 months. First time daily outdoors exercise was permitted for the shielded was June."

It was advised to shield. Some didn't do it. Ds didn't for exactly the same reasons that he won't be able to isolate for repeated 14 day periods.

Yes, DD’s friend aged 5 was told to shield (cancer). Her mum decided to take her on a daily walk at a time there was no one else around to try and keep her fitness levels up (no garden). Her consultant was in agreement.
ineedaholidaynow · 13/09/2020 08:36

Now people are out more than when in lockdown, I assume for many, unless you live very rurally or get up very early, it will be hard to go somewhere completely empty

OverTheRainbow88 · 13/09/2020 08:41

@Remmy123

I would avoid a playgrounds as they touch everything. But I don’t see the harm in An early morning bike ride or walk where No one is around!

Frazzled2207 · 13/09/2020 08:41

@Remmy123
Well technically no but I get your point. I suppose they cannot trust people to use their judgement correctly so they say don’t go out at all.
Where we live we could (and most likely will) go for isolated walks and not see a soul. But people in inner cities without cars likely won’t have that luxury. So apparently we all have to stay in, no exercise or anything.

Underhisi · 13/09/2020 08:41

Where I live there are fewer people about outside than there was in lockdown because people are now able to do more things inside.

Frazzled2207 · 13/09/2020 08:42

Ps I totally get this if you actually have the virus- but to have to do it for a fortnight repeatedly is crazy.

Fist-bump to all other self employed here who are going to have to suck it up every time their kid’s bubble bursts.

whattodo2019 · 13/09/2020 08:44

Along with the rest of the family!! Not just the child who is sent home from school but all other members of the household have to isolate

lilfoxfur · 13/09/2020 08:45

What about dc where the parents are split? I assume it's still ok for the child to travel between houses as long as they are isolated in both?

ineedaholidaynow · 13/09/2020 08:46

@whattodo2019 no they don’t unless the child has symptoms

Kaktus · 13/09/2020 08:46

@whattodo2019

Along with the rest of the family!! Not just the child who is sent home from school but all other members of the household have to isolate
Not true. If the child is in contact with a positive case, only the child in question has to self isolate.
Frazzled2207 · 13/09/2020 08:46

@whattodo2019
Incorrect
If a child’s bubble burst they are the only ones that have to self isolate. Whole family only if one develops symptoms.

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