What’s happening in Bolton to give such a huge rise in cases?

[AndromedaPerseus]

Just that really, any insights from locals?

I’ve been to a 2 different Wetherspoons in very different parts of the country recently and the staff were very insistent on watching you do the track and trace

Very different to here, with Wetherspoons at the centre of a local outbreak. Indi cafes and small businesses all followed guidance, tested, tracked, traced, closed where recommended. Wetherspoons...nothing. No track and trace, details weren't taken, contact with anyone, no reduced hours or closure for cleaning. The local community was appalled with the lack of systems.

@Whatayear2020

I live in Bolton, in the breightmet area, which apparently has one of the highest rates of infection. On my street today there have been numerous visitors in my neighbours front gardens for most of the day, which is not allowed under the current guidelines, and to quote one man "why the hell should I not meet with friends when I can go to work on public transport" I'm sure it's probably the same story across the country though. I think people just believe the guidelines to be a bit contradictory.

The man might be right....but would you rather be correct or possibly very ill and infect your whole family and everyone you know. It is selfish and ignorant to refuse to take social responsibility for yourself and others.

@cyclingmad

Its been clearly said transmissin is higher in homes than being on public transport, outside etc.

Why is that so hard for people to grasp and understand.

Its like there is huge memory loss, literally one month go people moaning about their mental health being cooped up or kids missing out on their education blah blah and endless threads on how economy is being destroyed

Well suck it up you want these things you have to sacrifice something and if that is limiting how many people you can meet in homes etc so be it. Better than no people.

I think for a lot of us it's difficult to believe in the absence of proof, given that it's by far the most politically expedient explanation for a government who have done nothing to earn any trust.

"It's been said"

Oh well then, that's convincing

It's also "been said" that it's been spread through a few local pubs by a superspreader on a pub crawl

As we aren't given any stats, who the fuck knows. Why you would choose to believe known-liar BoJo is a mystery though.

The news mentioned “two or three pubs” which have been identified, via t&t, as the source of a large number of recent infections. This challenges the slightly sly implications that it’s somehow coming from the Muslim community.

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On reason for London’s low (but climbing) infection rate might be that a higher rate of Londoners can WFH.

The tube is still dead in some areas.

@Phoenix21 there are loads more cyclists. There were a lot of cyclists in London anyway but loads more now. I noticed this because more women, older people and/or non-white people are cycling.

MrsWooster

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Why are more people from BAME backgrounds dying from coronavirus ...

It's not a sly implication it's a fact that Bame communities are disproportionately more affected. South Asian communities are disproportionately prone to diabetes and targeted accordingly in health advertisements and awareness campaigns - why is this any different?
Just to clarify I'm Muslim & don't find it offensive in any way, maybe others do.

@cyclingmad

Its been clearly said transmissin is higher in homes than being on public transport, outside etc.

Why is that so hard for people to grasp and understand.

Its like there is huge memory loss, literally one month go people moaning about their mental health being cooped up or kids missing out on their education blah blah and endless threads on how economy is being destroyed

Well suck it up you want these things you have to sacrifice something and if that is limiting how many people you can meet in homes etc so be it. Better than no people.

How is it getting into our homes?

Of course it’s going to be higher once it’s in and festering on your toothbrush that shares a pot with your family, kisses, hugging shared air.

iheartJKR
Oh I don't agree with the man! Sorry if I was unclear. I've been following the guidelines as have my family.
I'm actually quite worried, my DC have gone back to two different Bolton schools this week, and I'm due in college next week. It feels inevitable that one of us will bring it home.

@Whatayear2020

My apologies- I haven’t been clear, I fully understand your post.
As a young woman I spent several years living at ‘top of the brow’ in Breightment. I know of exactly the people you are talking about and I share your concern

Whata I feel the same.

Birmingham has jumped from 32 to 85 in a week and only Bolton beats its 7 day rate. Around 50 schools (if I include the Black Country) have now had cases in just one week of returning

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-birmingham-brink-lockdown-18895754

Yeh it's been very London centric...in terms of worse risk, by far the most deaths, and hardest hit economically (bit of a blow for areas like Newham, which are amongst the most deprived in the whole country).

London was never protected. The national lockdown was put in place to prevent other parts of the country suffering the same fate. London never got the protection of a lockdown. Airports continued to receive thousands daily, and there's been almost daily mass protests gatherings.

How many tests are being done in London? No tests = no cases... Also wonder how many cases there of 'summer flu', heart attacks (can be caused by Covid) or strokes (also triggered by Covid)?

Still, no worry, the government have their safe houses in the Shires to retreat to.

Re focus solely on one area whilst neglecting others. There does seem to be a bit of a North West centric thing going on now.

The North East is also seeing rising cases but perhaps doesn't matter so much to the media, many of whom are based in Greater Manchester (Salford's media city).

I blame the eat out to help out scheme. No masks nothing.

I blame the eat out to help out scheme. No masks nothing.

They weren't mandated, infarct we got cases down without masks,.and they have rose with masks so pointless.

[quote middleager]Whata I feel the same.

Birmingham has jumped from 32 to 85 in a week and only Bolton beats its 7 day rate. Around 50 schools (if I include the Black Country) have now had cases in just one week of returning

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-birmingham-brink-lockdown-18895754[/quote]
And now we have restrictions.
We quietly crept up while the focus was further north. When the focus shifts to London we also get forgotten. Price for being in 'the middle'

My ex used to live and work in Bolton. Their take is it has a high percentage of drug users and petty crime, and those involved will not be following guidelines. Especially breightmet, lever etc. I have absolutely no idea if this is valid or not, just a conversation we had recently.

Some areas have a high level of drug use definitely ,but there's an awful lot of ignorance as well .

Because people have forgotten all about social distancing. Went to the supermarket yesterday, people leaning over me, rammed by someones trolley, no consideration for others. They shut the pubs/restaurants a week too late in my opinion. Didn't Chris Whitty say a few weeks back we can have pubs or schools open?

I think the north east is the area being most overlooked. Birmingham and the north west have had action taken (and national media attention). Sunderland, Gateshead, Middlesbrough, and other NE areas are seeing cases steadily increase but very little attention has been given to them. I hope they get the support and help needed before things get worse.

Lots of noise about London going into a lockdown over the next few weeks. I think we went too fast too soon on lifting restrictions and we’re screwed until at least Christmas now with flu season coming in etc.

Pretty pointless putting London into a lockdown unless they finally close the borders (except freight and emergency, with proper quaratine when required) and put an end to the near daily mass gatherings protests

Those who say it's not worth doing a belated NZ and Australia approach. Come January and February we'll still be in this mess. Wouldn't you prefer up to two months lockdown now, so that we could finally start to properly open up, schools and events included, by December? If only we'd done this in January or even May/June.

I think rather than going too fast in ending restrictions, the problem was that (unlike NZ and Australia) we didn't have sufficient restrictions.