What’s happening in Bolton to give such a huge rise in cases?

[AndromedaPerseus]

Just that really, any insights from locals?

Op regarding the difference,s in transmission rates between Tower Hamlets and Bolton why do you think this is ( genuinely interested) is it because London was so badly affected at the beginning of the Pandemic ?

I live in Bolton, in the breightmet area, which apparently has one of the highest rates of infection. On my street today there have been numerous visitors in my neighbours front gardens for most of the day, which is not allowed under the current guidelines, and to quote one man "why the hell should I not meet with friends when I can go to work on public transport"
I'm sure it's probably the same story across the country though.
I think people just believe the guidelines to be a bit contradictory.

Yes it was bad in London during April and May. London recorded 18% of all Covid deaths in England

I can only think Tower Hamlets have more herd immunity than Bolton now

Whilst I agree the guidelines are contridictory @Whatayear2020 also being a Bolton resident ,although from. the farnwoth Great lever end ,in my area large groups of young lads have been congregating on the park behind my house since the beginning of lockdown ,my Dh went to one of the supermarket,s today and heard someone asking why people were wearing masks ,non of us want this but the behaviour of residents is contributing to it .

The lockdown wasn’t done on London’s timescale though - it was too late for London ( it seems infection peaked in London pre lockdown) and it had very high infections and deaths. I know there were rumours government considered locking down London a week earlier but didn’t.

I think most likely the reason they did the lockdown nationally was because of what happened in Italy they tried to lock down one area - there was a mass exodus to the rest of the country which risked spreading the virus.

I’m not saying the government isn’t London centric generally ( I’m from way up north).

Or maybe the residents of London borough,s realise how bad it was and don't want to go back to those days ,in comparison I think we have had less than 400 deaths in Bolton so far

Wierdly loads of figures about the young are going about but no figures about make up of previous spikes why not

The local theory as told by one of the MPs and various police and local councillors is that a bunch of idiots went on holiday to spain then didnt self isolate and went on a pub crawl across two areas. Spread from there. Super spreader events account for most transmission in outbreaks so there might be some truth in it.

@x2boys

Or maybe the residents of London borough,s realise how bad it was and don't want to go back to those days ,in comparison I think we have had less than 400 deaths in Bolton so far

But I think there isn't much social distancing going on in London right now. Many people are very relaxed about it.

Well you need to be very aware then this virus clearly has,nt gone away ,if the residents of London don't take note,they. could be wear Bolton is in a few weeks time

I don't believe there much diff between Bolton and many other areas

What’s happenening is there is a mild increase in cases and they then suddenly throw testing at it which picks up dozens of asymptomatics so cases rise

But there’s millions in all areas wandering round asymptomatic now 🤷‍♀️

Eg in Lancaster near me they had a peak. Locally nearby there are 3 pop up units offering free walk in tests for anyone inc encouraging those without symptoms so everyone’s going. So of course cases then look higher

I bet lots on Mumsnet right now have it and have no idea!

Birmingham was affected very badly at the start. Our local hospital trust reported the highest numbers of deaths.

The figure is back up to 69 in 100,000 so not sure about the theory that if you had high rates at the start they may be lower now due to herd immunity.

What's todays death rate from covid in Bolton? How scared should London be?

considering us londonders were ahead of the curve you'd think we'd be first back into lockdown but no thank god people are being sensible enough!

Given 90% cases in Bolton are under age 49 I expect death rate is very very low if any

www.bolton.gov.uk/dailycovid

@AndromedaPerseus

The London boroughs of Tower Hamlets, Hackney and Newham which has a similar BAME population to Bolton has cases of average of 21 per 100,000 compared to126 in 100,000 in Bolton.

I live in one of those boroughs and can confirm that people aren’t wearing masks/abiding by the distancing rules either, so may not be far behind.

I live in one of those boroughs and can confirm that people aren’t wearing masks/abiding by the distancing rules either, so may not be far behind.

Same in Birmingham, which has a similar socio economic/demographic profile to Bolton. Lots of tightly packed inner city housing with multi generational living.

I counted just 5 out of 20 people in a shop wearing masks.

Not read the whole thread but I did see a headline earlier that said one super spreader may have caused cases in Bolton to surge

[quote Vinoonasunnyday]Given 90% cases in Bolton are under age 49 I expect death rate is very very low if any

www.bolton.gov.uk/dailycovid[/quote]
I'm not sure it has increased death rates (yet?) But hospital admissions with Covid have doubled over the last 11 days in Greater Manchester.

London is reporting steady increases now in many boroughs but from a low base so the numbers pern100 000 are not yet as high. Several boroughs have positive rates significantly above the U.K. average though.

So I don’t think London is any different or has anything to be complacent about despite articles in the paper!

The whole argument well i get one trai with more people blah blah is just so short sighted

Would you rather still have a job and roof over your head and only meet 6 people

Or continue to have lots of people over and cases increass so much stricter lockdown comes, devastating economy again you lose your job, lose your house and try to make ends meet.

Id rather have the former thanks, so what if I can't have more than 6 people over on my house its not the end of the world if it means I still have a job to feed my family and have a roof over my end that took me years to get. Id still rsyher be able to go to the gym. I can still socialise if it that is limited

@cyclingmad

The whole argument well i get one trai with more people blah blah is just so short sighted

Would you rather still have a job and roof over your head and only meet 6 people

Or continue to have lots of people over and cases increass so much stricter lockdown comes, devastating economy again you lose your job, lose your house and try to make ends meet.

Id rather have the former thanks, so what if I can't have more than 6 people over on my house its not the end of the world if it means I still have a job to feed my family and have a roof over my end that took me years to get. Id still rsyher be able to go to the gym. I can still socialise if it that is limited

The thing is, there is a logic underpinning the instructions, but some people don't understand that, and think they know better.

@BighouseLittlemouse

London is reporting steady increases now in many boroughs but from a low base so the numbers pern100 000 are not yet as high. Several boroughs have positive rates significantly above the U.K. average though.

So I don’t think London is any different or has anything to be complacent about despite articles in the paper!

Now everyone is being told to get back to work, use public transport if you can't cycle and buy a sandwich?

ALot of people are only just starting to go back into offices in London.

Frankly, timing it all with schools, work and cold season is a recipe for disaster.

Its been clearly said transmissin is higher in homes than being on public transport, outside etc.

Why is that so hard for people to grasp and understand.

Its like there is huge memory loss, literally one month go people moaning about their mental health being cooped up or kids missing out on their education blah blah and endless threads on how economy is being destroyed

Well suck it up you want these things you have to sacrifice something and if that is limiting how many people you can meet in homes etc so be it. Better than no people.