Wow,look at the actual numbers on worldometer at the moment ..

[Layladylay234]

Current levels of infection: 7,007,039
Number of mild infections: 6,946,649 (99%)
Number of serious/critical cases: 60,390 (1%)

Do these numbers make anyone else think,what the fuck are we doing damaging the economy,our children's future and mental health for figures like this?

No where is back to normal, what utter rubbish! Even places that have managed to control the virus have additional measures in place. Ah well ... some people are just scared

@Porcupineinwaiting thats my recent experience too. I had something picked up on when I was in hospital as an emergency, it was refered on to the correct consultant and I had a phone consultation with him, there was no need for a face to face, within two weeks and treatment was decided upon.

I will go in to see him at clinic but thats because he needs my face to face concent because of what the treatment is.

No delays.

[quote Porcupineinwaiting]@LadyofTheManners which restrictions stop your son seeing his consultant? They must be specific to your Trust (or to him if he's shielding), here appointments are moving again. The fact that he hadn't seen his consultant for 18 months pre COVID suggests there was already a problem tbh. How often is he supposed to be reviewed?

If it's more than routine (ie there's a problem) will they not even offer a zoom consultation?

My ds1 was referred to orthopedics 10 days ago and his appointment will be in 3 weeks. And his issues are chronic not acute.[/quote]
You physically cannot get an appointment to be seen face to face here. I've had a telephone call with his allergy clinic. To see if he's still allergic. Over the phone. He usually has pinprick tests to show what he is allergic to, as it can change.
The last time I spoke to his lung consultant was on the phone to see what his risk level was, that was in late February. I was then sent a letter in mid March saying she would call for a telephone consultation at 2pm on X date. She called at 10am when I was driving, I had moved my whole day around so I didn't miss her call. I asked for her to call back and they refused. I've had nothing since.
I tried getting a GP appointment for myself two weeks ago for my asthma. Was told no can do. Won't see me and to get a covid test for anything chest related. Explained no it's my asthma. Told no get a test. Asked what if it's negative, to be told they still won't see me. Told I could pay £50 for a phone consultation or £80 for an in person appointment. As I'm currently not working and on a budget tighter than a gnats arse that isn't an option.
I am aware though that there are no current covid patients in our local hospital and haven't been since July.

trapped your attitude is commendable and I mean that, I'm not trying to patronise you, but I know I could not feel that way. I lost my mum to cancer 3 years ago. It was devastating but if we'd had COVID to deal with as well it would have been 100% worse. My sister is a celebrant and I know from her how hard it has been for many of her clients.

costco what are NHS appointments like where you are then? Is it not possible to access the services you need?

To the posters saying we're destroying society, is that not a bit of an overstatement? Genuinely?

Here’s a BBC link saying what I and lots of others have been trying to say.

Test more people = find more cases

www.bbc.com/news/health-54064347

Definitely yes. Some people are loving the drama

But the test positivity rate is also rising. Here are the slides from yesterday’s Downing St briefing:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/916445/2020-09-09_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides111__-__Read-Only.pdf

[quote Egghead68]But the test positivity rate is also rising. Here are the slides from yesterday’s Downing St briefing:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/916445/2020-09-09_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides111__-__Read-Only.pdf[/quote]
Yeah. Because they have mobile testing units and are deploying them in “hotspots” and track and trace means people are being picked up.

Fact is that previously these people weren’t being tested and don’t know they had it.

There is zero actual evidence that infections are rising as we simply don’t have the stats to reference.

The only way we would is if a defined cross section of the population had been tested every week since this started. As long as the testing criteria keep changing the stats are useless

@Desperado24 I agree that it’s difficult to compare case and death statistics as the criteria has changed so much numerous times but hospital admissions are probably the best consistent indicator that we have and they’re showing a rise.

I do believe that the rise in cases are partly due people having to test to attend school and they’re testing in circumstances they wouldn’t have this time last month (I think that’s a good thing); however cases are still rising without that factor taken into account imho.

Test positivity should be falling in hotspots as they are under extra restrictions...

Anyhow it’s rising both in and out of hotspots.

Hospital admissions as of the 3rd September, they look like they are still going down?

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Covid-Publication-10-09-2020.xlsx

No, falling in the South West but rising everywhere else, most notably in the North West. Still relatively small numbers though.
mobile.twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1303375725282701314

It’s still tiny numbers, 21 for all of English hospitals new admissions on the 3rd September, whether that will change in the next few weeks, we will have to wait and see

I dont ever remember seeing 40 000 listed as serious on Worldometer for the UK, yet we had 40 000 + deaths. The figures don't seem to make sense.

Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - Total
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - Aged 0-5 years
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - Aged 6-17 years
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - Aged 18-64 years
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - Aged 65-84 years
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - Aged 85+ years
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 - age unknown

England	21	0	0	13	8	1	-1	 	 
 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
East of England	1	0	0	1	0	0	0	 	 
London	4	0	0	1	2	1	0	 	 
Midlands	3	0	0	3	0	0	0	 	 
North East and Yorkshire	3	0	0	2	1	0	0	 	 
North West	4	0	0	3	1	0	0	 	 
South East	3	0	0	1	2	0	0	 	 
South West	3

The numbers are going up rapidly in young people, it will not take long for the infection to start hitting the old and the vulnerable, then admissions and deaths. It is all in mostly in the under 30s for now.

43% positivity rate is high, and worrying.

It's been madness from the beginning. That 1% are nearly all very elderly / comorbid conditions.

@Layladylay234

Sorry,I should have made clearer,these numbers are worldwide. Worldwide 1% of people have the illness seriously. In different countries,with different restrictions.

And do we really know that that number is due to restrictions? Because Sweden certainly paints a different picture.

Anyway I'm not interested in getting into a bun fight about what COULD happen when there are people dying from cancer,suicide etc that have direct links to Covid. These deaths matter too. I just wanted to see if other people felt the same as me.

It was clear to me what you’re trying to say. And I agree wholeheartedly.

Do we sacrifice the economic, mental and health wellbeing of a potential 99% of the population for the 1%??

I just don’t know anymore.

I don’t know the answers but I find myself saddened by how easily some people are prepared to write off that 1% so callously. It’s just the old and disabled though.....

It's not about writing off the elderly or disabled. It's about perspective and the damage on other NhS services, jobs, education, mental health. The 1% is such a low number it doesn't justify the damage the lockdown measures are causing

Yes. Biggest overreaction ever. Some people are addicted to the fucking drama.

It’s not about the percentage is it. 1% of a lot of people is still a lot of people. Even if “only” 20 million of us get it even 0.5% of that is still 100000 people. That’s a lot however you play it.

@Hyperfish101 yes....it would be a complete turnaround in attitude if kids started to be affected and we had deaths within the younger age brackets

Just watch how fast MN attitudes would change then.....they would very quickly start accepting the measures put in place that’s for sure!

Also, no one seems to have died from anything else during all this time...where's the flu and measles at?

Deaths in the UK equate to a medium size town wiped out since mid March. Think about that. If you live in a town of about 50,000 people have a walk around and imagine that everybody is dead. EVERYBODY. Now tell me again about the 1%.