Will the new law on social gatherings make you reconsider your activities?

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Yes or no?

@Livelovebehappy

I still don’t get how no groups indoors of more than 6, but you can still go to a restaurant or pub with dozens of others? It just doesn’t make sense.

Because limiting unnecessary contact, allows businesses like restaurants to stay open, thus employing people. It's so simple

'still don’t get how no groups indoors of more than 6, but you can still go to a restaurant or pub with dozens of others? It just doesn’t make sense.'

It is because the data is showing that is where the spread is happening. Large social gatherings in peoples houses.

People moan when action isnt taken then moan when it is. It really isnt hard to only see 6 people or less for the time being

Yes, it will for me. My DH and friends were starting to get back to normal because of the 6 guidance/30 law rule.

People moan when action isnt taken then moan when it is. It really isnt hard to only see 6 people or less for the time being

Sorry but yes it is for those of us who don't have the standard 2.4 children.

Two of our children have three kids each so we won’t be able to see them any more unless we go individually. That’s presuming that babies count amongst the 6.

@Lockdownseperation

No, the law is the same at the guidelines which were already in place so there is no need for my family to change their behaviour.

No it’s not. Under the guidelines 2 households of any size could mix inside and out. So my family of 6 could see my parents in the garden. Now we can’t, unless I send two of my household out somewhere while they visit.

@primabloodydonna

People moan when action isnt taken then moan when it is. It really isnt hard to only see 6 people or less for the time being

Sorry but yes it is for those of us who don't have the standard 2.4 children.

But the law can't provide for individual circumstances, we're talking about law at a society level.

Life is rarely fair.

'Because limiting unnecessary contact, allows businesses like restaurants to stay open, thus employing people. It's so simple''

Yes it's just prioritising. It's like when people say 'how come school is open but I can't have a party?' Well one is essential, the other isn't and it's all about reducing risk while accepting we can't all sit indoors alone for ever.

'Sorry but yes it is for those of us who don't have the standard 2.4 children.'

Just stagger any visitors then

@LouLou789

Two of our children have three kids each so we won’t be able to see them any more unless we go individually. That’s presuming that babies count amongst the 6.

But why should society care about individual circumstances? The law just cannot cover every single iteration of 'family me

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Because limiting unnecessary contact, allows businesses like restaurants to stay open, thus employing people. It's so simple''

Yes it's just prioritising. It's like when people say 'how come school is open but I can't have a party?' Well one is essential, the other isn't and it's all about reducing risk while accepting we can't all sit indoors alone for ever.

'Sorry but yes it is for those of us who don't have the standard 2.4 children.'

Just stagger any visitors then

There are 6 of us, so staggering visitors doesn’t work. I’ll have to send DH and one child out for a walk if my parents want to visit us in the garden.

'Family'

Sorry @Kaktus but it's tough.

You're probably lucky in other ways, try and focus on those

I am really angry about this. It means a family with 3 kids cannot meet up with grandparents in their own garden.

It is a gross infringement of individual freedom, the right to a private and family life, freedom of association... It is bad for mental health. It will not make the blindest bit of difference given all the exceptions for commercial and educational activities and the fact that this virus is endemic. This government have gone potty, yet I don't hear Kier Starmer standing up and objecting. This is police state territory. I think I might move to Sweden as they seem to be the only country that actually take civil liberties seriously.

@Genevieva maybe some time living in an actual police state would give you a dose of reality.

@monsterad

Sorry *@Kaktus* but it's tough.

You're probably lucky in other ways, try and focus on those

I’m not moaning, just pointing out why it doesn’t work. Yes I’m very lucky in other ways. I lost my job due to Covid but we can still pay our mortgage for the time being, unlike my friend who is suicidal as she can’t pay her rent and bills. So I’m counting my blessings.

Well it means that Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur Services are to be online for everyone. I know that it was going to be online for me because it was highly unlikely I could even get to be one of the 30 people allowed in the synagogue. But I guess this means everyone has to view the service online.

@Floralbean I have! Admittedly only for a year for work, but I have. It is a slippery slope.

'So my family of 6 could see my parents in the garden. Now we can’t, unless I send two of my household out somewhere while they visit''

For the short term yes, or just sit outdoors 2m apart I'm sure the police won't arrest you for an extra person. Or else we'll be back to not seeing people at all.

There'll be a raft of threads in a couple of weeks ''infections and admissions are riiiiiiiising why isnt our shambolic Government doing anything??'

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'So my family of 6 could see my parents in the garden. Now we can’t, unless I send two of my household out somewhere while they visit''

For the short term yes, or just sit outdoors 2m apart I'm sure the police won't arrest you for an extra person. Or else we'll be back to not seeing people at all.

There'll be a raft of threads in a couple of weeks ''infections and admissions are riiiiiiiising why isnt our shambolic Government doing anything??'

Yes I know that. I was just pointing out to the poster who said the law is now the same as the previous guidelines that that isn’t actually the case.

'There are 6 of us, so staggering visitors doesn’t work. I’ll have to send DH and one child out for a walk if my parents want to visit us in the garden

Honestly. Try a bit of problem solving and the old mn favourite resilience. If people comply hopefully it will be short term only.

@primabloodydonna

Anyone who thinks the police have got the resources to be turning up at your house if you havd 7 people there instead of 6 clearly knows no one in the police force.

Well the local police managed to be outside my local Sainsburys the day after full lockdown in March and were inspecting bags as people left to see if the deemed the shopping was essential or not so I wouldn't put it past them.

Does anyone know if we can still make a bubble with single parent households?

And would it be legal to visit my dm house when my dbro and dsis are at work? They all live together.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'There are 6 of us, so staggering visitors doesn’t work. I’ll have to send DH and one child out for a walk if my parents want to visit us in the garden

Honestly. Try a bit of problem solving and the old mn favourite resilience. If people comply hopefully it will be short term only.

Oh for fucks sake. I was literally just saying that staggering visitors doesn’t work if you have a six person family. I’ve got resilience in the fuck loads to be honest. I’ve lost my job due to Covid and am still smiling. Pointing out that you can’t stagger visitors with a larger family does not show a lack of resilience. It’s pointing out a fact.

@Floralbean I don't know how many times this ends to be said for people to understand:

1. You cannot eradicate an endemic virus.
2. This means lockdown controls are only to enable the health service provision to cope.
3. Any lockdown above the level at which the health service is coping has unacceptable knock on affects elsewhere, including delaying treatment for other medial conditions and causing deteriorations in mental health that increase the mortality rate elsewhere, as well as causing economic problems that increase poverty and thereby increase health problems and mortality.
4. The Health services are coping well and have plenty of excess capacity, so there is no argument for increased lockdown measures at the moment.

The modelling has been around for years. Lockdowns are bad for health in general so the situation must be very severe for it to be worthwhile. It is arguable that it was in March, but it is not arguable that it is now.

@notevenat20

Funny though I can work close to other people's children performing personal care with no ppe in a class of 8 children and 9 adults all close together but can't see my family again

You can see 5 of your family who you don’t live with at a time.

But overall I think it’s important to look at it in terms of an infection risk budget. To keep R below 1 we as a society can only afford a certain number of social interactions. If you spend your budget at school you can’t spend it outside school.

And yes, it’s a royal pain in the arse.

What is it with this "risk budget"? Is it a personal thing? Because seeing as i find going round the shops more stressful than ever (today I'm attempting only my 2nd trip in town since this shit started), dont go to the pub, don't eat out, etc etc, i choose to use my "risk budget" in going to the gym, running races and going to outdoor, socially distanced classes (max around 15 people), as these are what are very important to my fragile mental health. Is that OK by you? Or do I have to return to being shut in my house with no social interaction?

As it happens, it appears that the things I do are covered by the "organised sport", much as they were in the guidance. And that's what I've been sticking to, the guidance. Not anyones made up version of the guidance, but what its actually said. (ASD means the "rules" are very important to me)