So basically lockdown should never of happened

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Ok so this article is a little long but theirs doctor speak sense

Has our economy be destroyed and job lost for nothing and kids missed out on so much school because of some crazy mathematical modelling which was totally incorrect

Thoughts please

drmalcolmkendrick.org/author/drmalcolmkendrick/

If you think he's making sense, you're just conclusion shopping to validate your own pet theories.

OP, research confirmation bias and critical thinking. It's really important not to believe everything you read.

I think everyone needs to ask themselves if they have the expertise to critically assess the information they're reading. If the answer is no, then don't use it to make blanket, sweeping statements. This.

I am no epidemiologist, I covered it in a couple of units at Uni, that's it.

But I know when bluster is used to convey crap with purpose! Critical thinking is essential, especially if we are to avoid further burning of phone masts etc!

He's a GP. His opinion on how a pandemic should be handled is worth about as much as a checkout operator's thoughts on Tesco's corporate strategy.

One of the main tenets and identifiers of dyslexia is an inability to decode sounds into written words and vice versa.
There are more English speaking dyslexics as a result of this, given that English is a notoriously phonetically irregular language.
Transference of a sound into an incorrect spelling is one of the first signs a teacher/specialist will pick up on when assessing if a person is dyslexic.

So Macron effectively forced Boris’s hand.

Thankfully. Many more people died than needed to because we didn't lock down sooner. When your relative died because the lockdown wasn't sooner, you do take it a lot more seriously. When countries didn't lock down or prioritised the economy, more people died: see Brazil and the US on this list: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Furlough and the self-employed support scheme has helped a lot of people but should now be extended for sectors/businesses that just can't go back to work yet but will be critical in the future, and to those people who were left out. We also need financial support for those who can't work from home and need to self-isolate. This is all expensive but is a lot less expensive than recovering from an economic depression - with all that that would mean for people's long-term futures.

I think as everything we don't know, we fear, the lockdown was positive because gave as time to understand it. Of course lockdown itself is not a positive thing, and these days who can afford stoping the world even for a moment, but in this case, I thought it was valid. I had to learn about groceries run online, for instance as a consequence. Delivery slots, prices, etc... I found this app, Your Best Option, for my iPhone, and it was really handy. I could spend more time with my kids, which was amazing. But I can see the damage in economy as well. As everything in life - the balance; bright side and dark side.

Macron did force Johnson on timing but a lockdown was coming.
Op if you want to dive into Lockdown is wrong then Toby Young and the Spectator have lots of articles, probably explains why Mary Wakefield didn't give a second thought to her and her husband driving to Barnham Castle...

@ThePluckOfTheCoward

I'm glad it was pointed out upthread that grammar mistakes shouldn't be conflated with having dyslexia. I wonder if this thread is just click-bate!. Yes that and the "Thoughts please" instruction made me think the same.

'Click-bait'

Sorry. I couldn't help myself

So don't you even think some of what he is saying makes sense.? Er no

And, in my view, we should also take a cold hard look at the way human society's habits are causing zoonotic virus outbreaks

@ConquestEmpireHungerPlague what kinds of things do you think should be looked at? Genuinely interested. Things like better slaughterhouse procedures and less export of animals/carcasses? Changes in human behaviour - less long distance travel? Less contact with animals?

@raddledoldmisanthropist

I'm more than aware I have grammar issue as a diagnosed dyslexi

Another dyslexic here, wondering WTF that would have to do with grammar mistakes.

I don't need some rude individual on MN to point it out

Gosh you must be really polite if correcting grammar is that rude to you.

Crawl back under your stone

Oh, my mistake.

Yes it is rude to correct someone's grammar!

Well 30 years ago at primary school I was told my lack of grasping spelling and grammar was due to a condition called dyslexia

As pointed out, dyslexia doesn't cause people to mix up homonyms.

(I don’t understand the need to make an excuse for poor grammar at all. Do we do this in normal social interactions or is it just online?)

Not generally, but it is rather relevant when someone is complaining about access to education.

The OP hasn't mixed up homonyms.

He makes some interesting points. I would never say to believe a single paper, but I hate the way dissenting voices are shouted down re: Lockdown/ CV. Given the disruption and unprecedented infringement on our sacred and much fought for freedom, we have a moral duty to check, examine, and re-examine all view points on this, especially the ones that don't fit the narrative. The measures taken and being taken are far too serious to ignore some of these figures being quoted.

@TantieTowie

So Macron effectively forced Boris’s hand.

Thankfully. Many more people died than needed to because we didn't lock down sooner. When your relative died because the lockdown wasn't sooner, you do take it a lot more seriously. When countries didn't lock down or prioritised the economy, more people died: see Brazil and the US on this list: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Furlough and the self-employed support scheme has helped a lot of people but should now be extended for sectors/businesses that just can't go back to work yet but will be critical in the future, and to those people who were left out. We also need financial support for those who can't work from home and need to self-isolate. This is all expensive but is a lot less expensive than recovering from an economic depression - with all that that would mean for people's long-term futures.

Furlough and s/e support should FIRST be given to the 3 million who fell through Rishi's cracks in the first round of support. It's crazy to extend it to those who've already benefited when huge numbers fell through the cracks the first time around. He needs to sort out the fundamental cock ups he made back in March before even thinking of extending it for the same people who've been looked after for the last 6 months.

At the time he said "we'll leave no-one behind" - more lately he's changed his tune to "we can't help everyone". The guy is an incompetent idiot - but that's no surprise as we've suffered a succession of incompetent Chancellors for the last 20 years!

First, there are countries with dramatically lower death rates. But these have a high tech police/govt machine we don’t have. For example, in S Korea their app will give the full travel journeys of everyone diagnosed so you can check if you intersected with them. You have to install the government app and have your phone with you at all times. The police will come to your house regularly and in China you would be quarantined in a hotel room alone with a robot delivering you food

Japan didn’t do any of this ... and still managed fine.

He is right.

All of those things and more @BeachLane but, pre-eminently, a halt to the systematised destruction of natural habitats.

Japan is interesting. I wonder if it's also because mask wearing is already part of their everyday life due to big city living and a general respect for others if you have a cold etc. I work with foreign students and the Japanese and Koreans will arrive wearing masks until we tell them they don't have to, but if any of them catch a cold (quite often with changes in temperature and jet lag etc) they automatically wear them.
I suppose in years to come there will be thousands of studies.

It seems many posters like to shut down arguments by pointing to grammar, spelling and typos. Often due to lack of an effective counter-argument. We should scrutinise the figures and methods of the science to really understand the basis upon which policies have been imposed. Where there are doubts, we should reveal them for further scrutiny. Luckily we are still in a society where we can do this despite the spikiness of social media these days.

Aargh, not this article again (it's already been posted in at least 2 other threads).

The author writes articles for Russian state TV propaganda outlet RT and for a pro Russian website (21stcenturywire) which has promoted conspiracy theories and has supported pro Assad views.

He was also a speaker at the anti lockdown protest in Edinburgh last weekend which was organised by a councillor (Paddy Hogg) who wrote that MMR causes autism, stated that it was a “myth” that smallpox was eradicated by a vaccine, and posted numerous conspiracy theories about Bill Gates.

Mr Hogg also posted a video to YouTube promoting the protest, in which he claimed “no one at all is being infected” and that there are “no outbreaks of Covid-19 happening just now.”

In the video, uploaded on 14 August, he added: “The testing that’s going on just now is simply showing some old coronavirus type cold that people might have had traces of.”

The other speaker at the protest is a prominent member of a right wing Irish political party who had to resign from a committee due to her false claims on Covid19 including the claim that once you had had it you were immune for life. She was also one of the main speakers at the Trafalgar Square protest the previous weekend, alongside David Icke and Piers Corbyn.

@MangoFeverDream

First, there are countries with dramatically lower death rates. But these have a high tech police/govt machine we don’t have. For example, in S Korea their app will give the full travel journeys of everyone diagnosed so you can check if you intersected with them. You have to install the government app and have your phone with you at all times. The police will come to your house regularly and in China you would be quarantined in a hotel room alone with a robot delivering you food

Japan didn’t do any of this ... and still managed fine.

Japanese society is different from UK society.

I agree with you OP.

I think the early lockdown was understandable on the basis of not overwhelming the NHS, but as soon as that was sorted and the Nightingales ready, we should have basically followed the Swedish model.

I think the future will provide evidence to back this up but we will never have the full truth of how many died of Covid, how many died with Covid and how many died because of the over reaction to Covid. Including the life long effects to some children having their education so badly disrupted and even worse the forgotten kids in neglectful and abusive homes.

Here are some interesting links to people who provide an alternative view. Not denying Covid but being less fearful of it.

Prof Karol Sikora and Carl Heneghan make a lot of sense to me.

This is an interesting piece
herd immunity

This is also very interesting - although you need a sub to read the full thing.
previous Coronavirus

Some of you need to make yourselves known to PHE etc.

Your insight, expertise and superior knowledge could save millions of lives!!