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Indoctro · 2020-09-08T05:33:27+00:00

Ok so this article is a little long but theirs doctor speak sense Has our economy be destroyed and job lost for nothing and kids missed out on so much school because of some crazy mathematical modelling which was totally incorrect Thoughts please https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/author/drmalcolmkendrick/

Namechangearoo · 08/09/2020 08:35

Everyone’s said what I was going to already. I’m stunned that anyone could read that article and think it was anything other than conspiracy-theory nonsense.

(As a dyslexic, I also hate it when people trot out dyslexia as a reason for their poor grammar. It can often cause punctuation errors and long sentences, but is not responsible for interchanging homonyms).

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:38

(I don’t understand the need to make an excuse for poor grammar at all. Do we do this in normal social interactions or is it just online?)

HannahStern · 08/09/2020 08:44

@Indoctro

So don't you even think some of what he is saying makes sense.?

No.

feelingverylazytoday · 08/09/2020 08:46

@notevenat20

We most likely will be able to start vaccinations in a few months which will make it a lot safer, but it still won't be over.

Sadly I don’t think we have any idea if a vaccine will work. Of course I hope one will but there are a lot of viral diseases for which we have no vaccine. The common cold is the most obvious one.

Yes, we do have a pretty good idea. See, there are these people called 'scientists' who have been working on a vaccine for months now. We already know that there are available vaccines, in fact China seems to have started vaccinating their own population already. The oxford vaccine has been in phase 3 trials for weeks now, that is collecting data on the efficacy. They already know it triggers a strong immune response, they just need to know what percentage of the population will be protected.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/09/2020 08:47

But face coverings include scarves so we pretty much could have started wearing masks a lot sooner. Masks were not mandatory until the end of July, so 4 months after lockdown pretty much. If when lockdown happened we were told to wear masks with a short grace period to allow people to get them but to use scarves or other covering over the mouth and nose then it probably would have had a massive impact. Hindsight!

As individuals we could have worn masks/face coverings from whatever day we chose!

IceCreamSummer20 · 08/09/2020 08:47

Scientist here.

No this man is not credible. At all.

HannahStern · 08/09/2020 08:49

As a dyslexic, I also hate it when people trot out dyslexia as a reason for their poor grammar. It can often cause punctuation errors and long sentences, but is not responsible for interchanging homonyms.

I can understand your frustration. Really clever people who have dyslexia rarely mention it. Fools who don't have it use it as an excuse.

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:50

Yes, we do have a pretty good idea. See, there are these people called 'scientists' who have been working on a vaccine for months now.

Answered in the MN style I see.

The reason they do these very expensive and prolonged randomised trials is because you can’t know if the vaccine is effective and safe without them. Phase 3 trials of promising drugs often do not then lead to a successful treatment.

Livelovebehappy · 08/09/2020 08:51

I think we should have followed the Swedish way, but that of course is with the benefit of hindsight. The whole situation is a learning curve, where looking back I guess the government would obviously have taken different paths at certain points, but when this happens again (because it will), then it will be dealt with better due to past learnings.

WaltzfortheMars · 08/09/2020 08:52

@notevenat20, prefer not to say, more than it's one of the Asian country with far less death rates. Sorry.

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:53

@feelingverylazytoday

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6092479/ has facts and figures on this topic if you are interested.

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:55

notevenat20, prefer not to say, more than it's one of the Asian country with far less death rates. Sorry.

That is already very helpful, thank you.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 08/09/2020 08:57

I think it’s an interesting article :)

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Indoctro · 08/09/2020 09:01

@HannahStern

As a dyslexic, I also hate it when people trot out dyslexia as a reason for their poor grammar. It can often cause punctuation errors and long sentences, but is not responsible for interchanging homonyms.

I can understand your frustration. Really clever people who have dyslexia rarely mention it. Fools who don't have it use it as an excuse.

Ok so now I'm a fool . Well 30 years ago at primary school I was told my lack of grasping spelling and grammar was due to a condition called dyslexia, in academy I was allowed to use a little calculator thing that spell checked for me, including when doing my standard grades and that was really the last I ever have thought about it . Since then I have muddled through life with poor spelling and grammar and not really cared much about it until MN when regularly people like to point out my grammar is dreadful

Well thank all of you that noticed , how kind of you to tell me, it's made my day so much better , I hope it has your also.

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Indoctro · 08/09/2020 09:04

Anyway back to the article , which is actually what this post is about not my grasp of the English language

Someone sent it to me and it seems this theory is now gaining more and more momentum, I've seen a few articles/ discussions about how/why we shouldn't of lockdown

If the government know a error was made why doing they just open everything up now and stop stalling.

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WaltzfortheMars · 08/09/2020 09:04

notevenat20, from your comment, I see you are against lock down/pandemic in general?

My responce of not stating my nationality is nothing to do you or with any of this. It's simply to do with my preference not to, that is all. I have done it on education board too. Just disregard my comment, if you think it's not valid, because I don't want to make may identity clear.

Cam2020 · 08/09/2020 09:12

The problem is, no-one knew how bad the virus was going to be as it's completely unprecedented and the only other example at the time was China - not exactly a reliable source of information. Spain and Italy were only a couple of weeks ahead of us and at the time, things were looking bad.

The lockdown was really supposed to be to stop the NHS from buckling under the pressure of admissions. On the whole, it does seem that most fatalities have been people equally at risk of dying from flu or pneumonia but we still do need to be cautious of the spread and hospital admissions if they rise. It's a difficult balance.

rosinavera · 08/09/2020 09:13

Please don't give the grammar police another thought @Indoctro! They like to feel superior by pointing errors out but they're really not!

midgebabe · 08/09/2020 09:14

Whilst most deaths have been in people already at greater risk of death, they did estimate that on average a person was dying 10 years before their time. Ie even with flu and normal winters, most people would have seen many years more life

BeachLane · 08/09/2020 09:15

@MorrisZapp

One thing I've noticed is that very often it's the same people who hold the following two views:

We locked down far too late, and it isn't proper lockdown anyway, people wafting off to the shops and visiting their mums. Is it just me? Did I miss something? Why is nobody observing SD anymore? Second wave incoming!

Well OF COURSE infection rates and deaths are way down, that's because of the measures! If we relax the measures it'll all spike again!

Only one of these positions can be true.

Your logic is unfortunately wrong, Morris.

Position 1 doesn't say that we DIDN'T lockdown or have NO measures in place, just that they were late and/or imperfect. Many (most?) people observed lockdown, just as they are observing social distancing, mask-wearing, etc. Having a large number of people failing to comply doesn't mean that the people who ARE complying are having no impact on infection rates and deaths.

So it follows that position 2 can also be true. Try rephrasing 2 like this: we do have measures in place, however late and imperfect they were/are, and these have protected us from more deaths and higher infection rates. If we relax these imperfect measures (for example by having NO masks on public transport rather than maybe 50 percent compliance) then we may have another spike.

2020notQuiteAsPlanned · 08/09/2020 09:16

@Indoctro
It was a doctor that triggered the MMR anti vax fiasco too......
We're in the midst of a global pandemic - hard enough without so much false propaganda going round.

Cases are going up so the sooner people go back to following official advice the better!

IceCreamSummer20 · 08/09/2020 09:16

@Livelovebehappy

I think we should have followed the Swedish way, but that of course is with the benefit of hindsight. The whole situation is a learning curve, where looking back I guess the government would obviously have taken different paths at certain points, but when this happens again (because it will), then it will be dealt with better due to past learnings.

Sweden has one of the highest death rates in the world from Covid19 and their economy suffered as much as it’s Nordic neighbours. It didn’t gain anything and lost more from it’s strategy.

Oaktree55 · 08/09/2020 09:17

Yes why not take what this one person says and ignore the other 1000’s of scientists ringing alarm bells again 🙄

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/09/2020 09:21

TBH - it was a situation that had never before been encountered - better to err on the side of caution (if err they did).

Personally I think it didn't happen soon enough.

stayathomer · 08/09/2020 09:25

Whatever comes out now or later on responses to this pandemic, people need to remember that awful word 'unprecedented'. This hadn't happened in most people's lifetime and they dealt with it the only way they could