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Indoctro · 2020-09-08T05:33:27+00:00

Ok so this article is a little long but theirs doctor speak sense Has our economy be destroyed and job lost for nothing and kids missed out on so much school because of some crazy mathematical modelling which was totally incorrect Thoughts please https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/author/drmalcolmkendrick/

MangoFeverDream · 08/09/2020 08:04

Lockdowns don’t work. East Asian countries have demonstrated that you don’t need lockdowns to contain the virus (Japan demonstrates how you don’t need lockdowns OR mass testing).

Here’s an interesting WSJ article about lockdowns in the USA, keep in mind some states locked down early, others didn’t bother at all, so makes for a useful comparison: www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/09/2020 08:06

@SarahMused the important part still stands Possibly... we just don't know enough. From the outside, not being one of the WHO members etc.

It is fine to question it all; fine to point out inconsistencies; for the scientific community to dissect the data. That's what is supposed to happen. If it was not happening there would be something very seriously wrong/changed about the democratic rocess, freedom of speech etc.

BUT it is not OK to assume that those doing the questioning have all the data necessary to come to an absolute conclusion. We, and they, are not privy to all data.

Basically we just have to trust... a most uncomfortable, unnatural position to be in! Hindsight and some very rigorous enquiries will eventually tell us more, maybe even the whole story! But that, by the very nature of the disease, pathology etc, won't be for a while yet!

And very many Monster Shouters, with all sorts of theories will emerge. All we can do is sit tight, not allow them to scare us or perturb our mental health!

SarahMused · 08/09/2020 08:08

MysteriesOfTheOrganism Ok, which countries do you think took it seriously? There is no correlation between the severity of the lockdown and the number of people that have died. It is no way as simple as that as there are many factors involved, including but not limted to, the age profile of the population, population density, how mobile the population is, seasonality, how bad the previous flu season was, type of elderly care, even how many people went skiing in N Europe and when their winter break was. Different countries also count deaths from covid differently and the rate of excess deaths includes those that have died because of lockdown rather than despite it. We won’t know for a while who has made the best choices but at the moment I would rather be in Sweden (large gatherings prohibited, schools open throughout, almost no cases detected in the community) than Spain (very harsh lockdown, schools shut for months, rising cases).

MagentaRocks · 08/09/2020 08:08

We should have locked down earlier and masks should have been mandatory from the start. I have no issue with mask wearing, if it had been from the start I think people would have been more likely to wear them without complaint. My issue is the length of time it took for mask wearing to become mandatory as it kind of makes it seem less important.

Whatever we think of the current government, they will be taking advice from the WHO and others that are credible.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/09/2020 08:09

Lockdowns don’t work. East Asian countries have demonstrated that you don’t need lockdowns to contain the virus (Japan demonstrates how you don’t need lockdowns OR mass testing). Yes, we know that! But we don't live in an East Asian country, with all of its public healrh issues and social mores. Lockowns may not be needed there, but here? You want to say that if we had not locked down there would not have been more deaths, more chaos, more unrest?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/09/2020 08:10

We should have locked down earlier and masks should have been mandatory from the start. I have no issue with mask wearing, if it had been from the start I think people would have been more likely to wear them without complaint. My issue is the length of time it took for mask wearing to become mandatory as it kind of makes it seem less important. In hindsight, and with the ability to order such things way back in 2019, yes! Possibly!

MorrisZapp · 08/09/2020 08:11

One thing I've noticed is that very often it's the same people who hold the following two views:

We locked down far too late, and it isn't proper lockdown anyway, people wafting off to the shops and visiting their mums. Is it just me? Did I miss something? Why is nobody observing SD anymore? Second wave incoming!

Well OF COURSE infection rates and deaths are way down, that's because of the measures! If we relax the measures it'll all spike again!

Only one of these positions can be true.

ZooKeeper19 · 08/09/2020 08:12

@Indoctro you are wrong. He is wrong. Please stop.

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:14

Fauci made a big error as did many others around the world causing governments to panic into harmful lockdowns instead of advising social distancing, hand washing, staying isolated when symptomatic and protecting the vulnerable, particularly in care homes.

I have heard this said a few times but I don’t think it is right.

First, there are countries with dramatically lower death rates. But these have a high tech police/govt machine we don’t have. For example, in S Korea their app will give the full travel journeys of everyone diagnosed so you can check if you intersected with them. You have to install the government app and have your phone with you at all times. The police will come to your house regularly and in China you would be quarantined in a hotel room alone with a robot delivering you food.

It’s no good allowing infection to spread in the population and then saying you will protect the vulnerable. There are a lot of people over 70, who are all vulnerable and they cannot live with no interaction with anyone younger than them.

So short of implementing the machinery of a high tech police state, you are left with a general lockdown.

TheSeedsOfADream · 08/09/2020 08:15

click-bate?????
From someone berating the OP for her grammar?
Priceless.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/09/2020 08:16

So short of implementing the machinery of a high tech police state, you are left with a general lockdown. Something I regularly shout back at conspiracy theorists and monster shouters alike!

custardbear · 08/09/2020 08:17

Tonnes more people would have died if we didn't have lock down. My brother is a senior hospital consultant and they were talking about fields being made into temporary morgues because body count could have been millions if the virus hadn't had some sort of containment - 40+k deaths is actually a better outcome than it could have been. Businesses will recover or new business take over those which couldn't survive. Kids will recover that 'lost' term over time and things will slowly revert back to normal, with extra vigilance or lockdowns when spikes occur ... let's look forwards and learn from what Covid has already taught us, let's not be stupid, let's not relax too
Much, time to live again through care and knowledge of what we've learned recently

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 08/09/2020 08:19

Remember what just one doctor managed to do with an erroneous, irresponsible, report on the MMR vaccine and autism? Britain is still seeing the effects of his dangerous findings, as fewer than the 95% of children under the age of 5 needed to create "herd immunity" in the community are being vaccinated with the MMR vaccine, and Measles, in particular, is on the increase.

feelingverylazytoday · 08/09/2020 08:19

We had to lockdown. If we hadn't we'd still be having hundreds of deaths per day. At least we have had a few months of respite to get some measures in place.
This pandemic will last for 2 years, possibly 3. I think people need to accept that. We most likely will be able to start vaccinations in a few months which will make it a lot safer, but it still won't be over.

Luckingfovely · 08/09/2020 08:23

PSA. I know people love saying it semi-jokingly, but I must correct the OP that everything published on the internet is NOT true.

Peony9876 · 08/09/2020 08:24

He may have a point that the fatality rate is a lot lower than initially assumed. However what he doesn't consider is the long term health issues from contracting covid, even in the young.

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:25

We most likely will be able to start vaccinations in a few months which will make it a lot safer, but it still won't be over.

Sadly I don’t think we have any idea if a vaccine will work. Of course I hope one will but there are a lot of viral diseases for which we have no vaccine. The common cold is the most obvious one.

MagentaRocks · 08/09/2020 08:26

@CuriousaboutSamphire

We should have locked down earlier and masks should have been mandatory from the start. I have no issue with mask wearing, if it had been from the start I think people would have been more likely to wear them without complaint. My issue is the length of time it took for mask wearing to become mandatory as it kind of makes it seem less important. In hindsight, and with the ability to order such things way back in 2019, yes! Possibly!

But face coverings include scarves so we pretty much could have started wearing masks a lot sooner. Masks were not mandatory until the end of July, so 4 months after lockdown pretty much. If when lockdown happened we were told to wear masks with a short grace period to allow people to get them but to use scarves or other covering over the mouth and nose then it probably would have had a massive impact.

acatcalledjohn · 08/09/2020 08:26

Do you also believe in a plandemic, 5G causing COVID symptoms, and that Bill Gates is wanting to inject us with microchips?

WaltzfortheMars · 08/09/2020 08:27

MangoFeverDream, you are forgetting about differences in culture. Some of the cultures are truly different from British. On my gov website, they state why even people with disability/sen need to wear masks, and there aren't uproars, when in England there are so many who refuse to wear them without any valid reason.

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:29

@WaltzfortheMars Which country is that ?

feelingverylazytoday · 08/09/2020 08:30

@CuriousaboutSamphire

So short of implementing the machinery of a high tech police state, you are left with a general lockdown. Something I regularly shout back at conspiracy theorists and monster shouters alike!

Yes. The UK has consistently rejected any trappings of a police state, so this is what we are left with.

PleasantVille · 08/09/2020 08:32

@ThePluckOfTheCoward

I'm glad it was pointed out upthread that grammar mistakes shouldn't be conflated with having dyslexia. I wonder if this thread is just click-bate!. Yes that and the "Thoughts please" instruction made me think the same.

Good point, anyone who wants clicks on their posts should use the would of could of, should of klaxon

I'm not going to waste my time reading the article, no one knows what would have happened without lockdown, what's the point in pontificating about it.

The next time we have a worldwide pandemic we should do it as a proper scientific experiment and spilt countries in half to observe the differences.

ChickenwingChickenwing · 08/09/2020 08:33

Thoughts please

What do you think should have happened?

notevenat20 · 08/09/2020 08:35

Yes. The UK has consistently rejected any trappings of a police state, so this is what we are left with.

And.... UK govt IT projects have not exactly been slick. Basically, if Google became the new evil national dictator, many fewer people would die of Covid and we would have no rights or privacy. You pays your money and you takes your choice.