To think there won't be another national lockdown?

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I just cannot see another national lockdown happening, even in the event of an uptick in deaths.

I don't think the nation will cope economically (furlough costs, business uncertainty etc), but I also don't think people will follow the rules. After the Dominic Cummings thing I know I won't be sticking to lockdown second time around. I really really struggled with two toddlers in a flat the first time around.

Or am I wrong and we will definitely have another national lockdown over winter?

If numbers started climbing again, which they will, local lockdowns may become more strict.

But as you've said, you're already planning on not following it, so does it actually matter?

After the Dominic Cummings thing I know I won't be sticking to lockdown second time around

So every time someone acts as a dick you need to jump in the bandwagon?

Most national governments are planning for localised regional ones as and when, so, no, I don't think there'll be one in the UK either.

Well I don't think there will, but I didn't think there would be one last time so who knows?

I think the Govt will sell it as local lock downs even if 99.9% of the Country are in local lockdowns!

And obviously if none of us follow the guidelines, like you're planning to do we'll be. there all the quicker!

I agree that there will probably be regional lockdowns back and forth, different areas on the news every day. People will complain but it will mean no furlough and be better for the economy.

Find it a bit weird how Dominic Cummings means you will disobey lockdown though. Surely you weren't just doing it to please Boris the first time?

I don’t think it can be entirely ruled out.

However ...

Things would have to be really bad before it’s on the table. They cannot freaking afford it for starters.

Compliance will be significantly lower than last time.

I hope not, because I think it would have to be totally & completely out of hand for them to do that.

But I agree, lots of 'local lockdowns' That cover 99.98% of the uk.

As for DC- just because he behaved like an irresponsible idiot, do you need to?

Not overwhelming the NHS & Saving lives is the goal, not seeing ho can be a bugger idiot than DC. FFS.

I agree that there won’t be another full national lockdown

There may be local and partial lockdowns but I really can’t imagine a return to the strict rules we had from late March to June

I agree there won't be a national lockdown. There will be local lockdowns that less and less people comply with as everybody is fed up with it. There's no point of a national lockdown if no one complies, and the economy can't take it. Cases will rise, those who are vulnerable will need to stay inside if they want to avoid it, everyone else will be left to carry on as they are now until there's a vaccine.

Although please don't use Dominic Cummings as a reason, its pretty childish all these months later.

local lockdown and lift accordingly.
You more than obviously don't want to lockdown because of your situation and it would be hard for you and using Dominic Cumming as an excuse to justify it TBH thats far worse than anything he did.

I don't think there will be and if there is I'll only follow it to a point. If I want to go for more than one walk away I will and I'll be going to the corner shop for chocolate if I fancy it rather than waiting until I have to go out for 'essentials'. I certainly won't be getting myself as wound up as last time!

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I agree there won't be a national lockdown. There will be local lockdowns that less and less people comply with as everybody is fed up with it. There's no point of a national lockdown if no one complies, and the economy can't take it. Cases will rise, those who are vulnerable will need to stay inside if they want to avoid it, everyone else will be left to carry on as they are now until there's a vaccine.

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Who knows? I dont think so. As we arent mixing as much and wearing masks etc I dont see how we can have a second spike bigger than the first, so I think it will be smaller, more local lockdowns

If there is a local lockdown will the government still support a localised type of furlough scheme for those businesses that will be forced to close short term?

Given that we, now have figures for the amount of deaths lock down, not Covid caused, I don't see how the government could justify it.

They've said that they won't shut the schools. There shouldn't be another lock down, because I don't see what purpose it would serve. There's a two year back log of treatments and surgery as it is.

They are going to do whack-a-mole with it. And it won't work very well because people are bored of it, and won't comply.

Actually I agree that DC made it different. Not just because he was an arse, but because of the explanations given by the government for backing him up, which pretty much amounted to “well we didn’t expect you all to actually follow ALL of the rules”. So I think there’s a substantial argument there that e.g. modelling was done based on 70% of people following 70% of the rules.

Personally, I’d be following 99.9% of the rules to the letter though. Even if just to show solidarity.

I agree with ohthegoats

Truth be told I am not sure, I agree the Government and the Country cannot afford another full lockdown. The thing about Cummings is that he was absolutely terrified and that is why he ran away like he did, no shame in being scared in the midst of a pandemic, lucky him he had somewhere nice and isolated to flee to.

I think the government will do everything to prevent another lockdown for the sake of the economic state of the country.

As a important technicality I can't recall we in England (and UK) ever had a lockdown. Not along the lines of real enforced hard lockdowns in most other nations. We had initially a recommendation to stay at home and then an instruction to stay at home. We always had the self right to leave home daily for food and medical reasons and for exercise. We were never locked into our homes. This is different from many nations where you had to pass police and Covid security with stringent paperwork and documentation to even set foot outside your home into public areas. We in the UK then introduced emergency criminal laws as essentially a small part of the general population did not get it or were bored etc.

Coming back to the original poster's concern - I do not believe Brits as a nation will ever be fully compliant with an actual national proper hard lockdown. Can you see military assisting in this tasks as in many overseas nations? I can only envision militant Brits being self entitled and not wishing to be instructed in any behavioural requirement.

In addition the UK economy cannot survive a national lockdown so again this will not happen for livelihood reasons.

More UK people will die from Covid but the numbers will hopefully fall and we all hope it is not us or anyone we know and love! Look out for Autumn Winter second and further waves of Civid community infections! It's happened and happening globally and in many nations Covid is systematically managed more seriously and vigorously. Our government is best at U turns and always being late to react. Others are proactive. We argue about trial things like face coverings while it's accepted science globally. Which other nation nearly lost their political leader and leadership team to Covid? Even the orange non believer stateside is "immune" to Covid.

If there's another national lockdown I won't be complying. I've got my mental health to think about.

I'll be continuing to follow guidance and keep safe. We've limited anything social to outdoor only and not gathered in groups even within our family.

Local lockdowns just make it all the more complicated, live in one area, work in another, live in one area, teach in another...then what.

Sadly those who don't comply make it so much more unsafe for others.