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To think there won't be another national lockdown?

81 replies

makingbacon · 04/09/2020 20:51

I just cannot see another national lockdown happening, even in the event of an uptick in deaths.

I don't think the nation will cope economically (furlough costs, business uncertainty etc), but I also don't think people will follow the rules. After the Dominic Cummings thing I know I won't be sticking to lockdown second time around. I really really struggled with two toddlers in a flat the first time around.

Or am I wrong and we will definitely have another national lockdown over winter?

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HeIenaDove · 04/09/2020 22:31

It wont be needed as the face masks will be helping no?

Derbygerbil · 04/09/2020 23:13

I don’t think there will be... Lockdown was a very blunt instrument (and actually it wasn’t really a lockdown at all or as strict as many other places).... As for your Cummings comment - it’s childish.

IloveJKRowling · 04/09/2020 23:36

There will only be a lockdown if the alternative - NHS overwhelmed, huge death toll - would have a worse impact on the country.

So I hope there isn't one, because if there is it will mean we've massively failed to keep the infection levels low enough to not destroy our NHS, our economy and kill many people.

There is lots of evidence that with good compliance with mask wearing and social distancing it is more than possible to keep infection low. Lots of countries have managed this, we should be able to as well.

MarshaBradyo · 04/09/2020 23:40

Businesses and schools closing again worry me most.

I can’t bear the thought

MarshaBradyo · 04/09/2020 23:42

When I go into restaurants / shops I think chances of transmission must be low with the mitigation in place.

Closing these and reintroducing furlough / grants or forcing mass unemployment and lost businesses seems too much for little gain of above.

MadameBlobby · 04/09/2020 23:45

@IloveJKRowling

There will only be a lockdown if the alternative - NHS overwhelmed, huge death toll - would have a worse impact on the country.

So I hope there isn't one, because if there is it will mean we've massively failed to keep the infection levels low enough to not destroy our NHS, our economy and kill many people.

There is lots of evidence that with good compliance with mask wearing and social distancing it is more than possible to keep infection low. Lots of countries have managed this, we should be able to as well.

Fingers crossed
kittensarecute · 04/09/2020 23:50

@IloveJKRowling

There will only be a lockdown if the alternative - NHS overwhelmed, huge death toll - would have a worse impact on the country.

So I hope there isn't one, because if there is it will mean we've massively failed to keep the infection levels low enough to not destroy our NHS, our economy and kill many people.

There is lots of evidence that with good compliance with mask wearing and social distancing it is more than possible to keep infection low. Lots of countries have managed this, we should be able to as well.

But we can't be expected to social distance forever, surely? Even though people seem happy to do so.
TheClitterati · 04/09/2020 23:52

If they close the schools again over winter a lot of us won't have much choice!

Torvean32 · 05/09/2020 03:32

The 3 week lockdown we had recently was tough. I know of 3 businesses that closed as they couldn't cope with potentially more lockdown.
There are other areas that have more cases than we ever had and they barely have restictions.
I've followed all the rules. Holidays cancelled, I've had poor care from the NHS. This Christmas I'm desperate to see my family and i hope ppl will do what it takes to avoid a lockdown over Christmas.

KitKatastrophe · 05/09/2020 07:06

I dont think they will do another national lockdown.

If there is a good reason for a local lockdown, such as an increase in hospitalizations which is looking like it will be too much for the NHS to handle, I would comply. If it's just because cases have increased, I would not comply full I would still see my parents and my children would still see their friends. Cases dont mean anything if nobody is actually getting ill.

PhilCornwall1 · 05/09/2020 07:42

It wont be needed as the face masks will be helping no?

Considering the media keep reporting that cases are rising on a daily basis, are they helping?

tigger001 · 05/09/2020 07:51

I don't think people respect the government enough to adhere to another lockdown, it's hard enough with people ignoring the localised ones.

MarshaBradyo · 05/09/2020 07:54

People can ignore social restrictions but not closed businesses

Trouble is the former doesn’t impact economy same way and is main source of spread. So it doesn’t make sense to further kill the economy while people meet up more.

Plus tactics to get us to adhere (fear based) don’t match with economic ones (get back to work).

The thing that would impact I guess is if we really were in dire straits with numbers.

CodenameVillanelle · 05/09/2020 07:55

@JayDot500

If numbers started climbing again, which they will, local lockdowns may become more strict.

But as you've said, you're already planning on not following it, so does it actually matter?

Why are you sure the numbers will climb? They haven't so far.
KitKatastrophe · 05/09/2020 08:08

@PhilCornwall1

It wont be needed as the face masks will be helping no?

Considering the media keep reporting that cases are rising on a daily basis, are they helping?

Are cases actually rising though, or are we just picking them up? The ONS survey suggests that prevalence is remaining pretty static. And a positive test doesnt always mean a case.
SnuggyBuggy · 05/09/2020 08:09

I imagine there will be some more local introductions of token rules but not more than that.

PhilCornwall1 · 05/09/2020 08:13
  • Are cases actually rising though, or are we just picking them up? The ONS survey suggests that prevalence is remaining pretty static. And a positive test doesnt always mean a case.*

Absolutely no idea to be honest. All I see are the headlines when I look at the news, to be honest I don't bother reading the articles.

BighouseLittlemouse · 05/09/2020 08:24

Cases do appear to be rising particularly this week yes - the key will be to look at the 7 day average. More importantly positivity rate is starting to rise and the number of tests carried out is largely stable. That indicates cases are now rising - the daily figure yesterday was nearly 2000.

Having said that we are still nowhere near where we were in March! And hospitalisation save only risen a tiny bit. It was inevitable cases would rise as we did more - it’s just whether we can stop then rising exponentially.

The slight worry is how Spain and France have both risen significantly in the last few weeks as whether we will follow them - in some ways no reason to assume we won’t. Germany however has risen but stayed at a relatively stable level.

Even with rising cases I agree they will try and do anything to avoid a national lockdown - but local ones will no doubt be imposed.

KitKatastrophe · 05/09/2020 08:24

All I see are the headlines when I look at the news, to be honest I don't bother reading the articles.
Unfortunately i think many people are the same and that's why we have many uninformed opinions and people panicking unnecessarily.

PhilCornwall1 · 05/09/2020 08:49

@KitKatastrophe

All I see are the headlines when I look at the news, to be honest I don't bother reading the articles. Unfortunately i think many people are the same and that's why we have many uninformed opinions and people panicking unnecessarily.
No panic here, never have panicked over this whole covid effort. As far as cases rising is concerned, I don't have an opinion on that.
KitKatastrophe · 05/09/2020 09:01

I didn't say you were panicking, but many were/are.

BighouseLittlemouse · 05/09/2020 09:26

I think the key actually is that we shouldn’t panic as cases rise as this was always pretty inevitable. Hopefully with local measures we will be able to keep them under control. At the moment numbers are still very low.

The data at the moment on rises is quite ‘noisy’ - so different bits conflict. The ONS study is so tiny however ( they are expanding it for this very reason!) that it shouldn’t be relied on in its own, it seen as part of the wider data set.

wizzbangfizz · 05/09/2020 09:48

It won't happen again and there is a strong argument it should never have taken place in the first place.

user1487194234 · 05/09/2020 09:54

I certainly hope not,I do think it was an overreaction and the country certainly cannot afford another one

DisgruntledGuineaPig · 05/09/2020 10:04

Dominic Cummings does matter. If they'd dealt with him at the time and fired him, they could do another lockdown if needed.

But they didn't and as much as the government would like us all to forget that mess, it has left the view all restrictions are optional. Frankly, I'm not going to make my kids suffer being in lockdown if I'm pretty sure no one else is. (Particularly as we think weve already had it, all the evidence is showing you are unlikely to get it again and if you do it's no worse than the first time round.)

The number of cases are rising, but thankfully the numbers dying of covid are staying low. This has to be a good thing.

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