UK doing ok

[ExmoorPony]

A lot of people seemed to love the fact our infection rates were so much higher than the rest of Europe.

Not so now! So much for Spain's strict lockdown and mask wearing policy.....it didn't work!

@Pixel7777

Well, I am not sure if the OP on this post is gloating, but in fact is pointing out negativity of posts on here during the lockdown, about how awful the UK was - everywhere else was doing it better...

now things have changed and maybe we should not have been so reverential about other countries!

Exactly my point. Totally misinterpreted by 99% of MNers

Belgium and Andorra have had higher corona deaths per million according to Le Monde french newspaper.

Don't think the Spanish were into bat burgers to be fair OP but this kind of thing was rampant at one point, despair over us not being locked up more etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3891177-Has-UK-Lockdown-been-a-waste-of-time-and-money?pg=7

[quote Pixel7777]Don't think the Spanish were into bat burgers to be fair OP but this kind of thing was rampant at one point, despair over us not being locked up more etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3891177-Has-UK-Lockdown-been-a-waste-of-time-and-money?pg=7[/quote]
I know. Just having a pop at the thought of some cruel plank who likes eating bats which is possibly how all this shit started. .....waits to be accused of racism....

Yep, was accused of racism on here mentioning wet markets at the start of this I remember. Maybe best steer clear OP.

It’s too early to be taking a tally of who is “winning” the pandemic. Winter is going to be a challenge for every country.

It's a good thing Spain don't do bat sandwiches, as a relative of Ebola has been found there.

journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1002304

@turnitonagain

It’s too early to be taking a tally of who is “winning” the pandemic. Winter is going to be a challenge for every country.

Yes, and it is coming.

More seriously, it is important that all countries look at each other and compare strategies and results.
If a strategy seems to be winning, for what is worth, then it's worth copying.
It's a virus that we're fighting, not each other.

@turnitonagain

It’s too early to be taking a tally of who is “winning” the pandemic. Winter is going to be a challenge for every country.

100% this.

Also even though our cases are lower than Spain/France currently I still have concerns over the UK government approach - for example on of the drivers of the high cases in France is apparently the return of workers to offices. Our government's next big drive is.... the return of workers to offices.

There's a long way to go.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Yes, it does come across as far more likely to be an expat on that "greener grass" than a Spanish poster!

Agree. A friend of mine who moved to Spain a few years ago has made her opinion clear on FB.

She's eating many of her words now!

A lot of people seemed to love the fact our infection rates were so much higher than the rest of Europe.

I don't know anyone who loved the fact that more people were ill / dying in the UK. What a bizarre statement

Not so now! So much for Spain's strict lockdown and mask wearing policy.....it didn't work!

So gleeful / smug that things not good for Spain

Oh and:

Sweden all the way

Sweden has totally different demographic / density / lifestyle to the UK

A lot of people seemed to love the fact our infection rates were so much higher than the rest of Europe.

I think people were mistaking this for excitement. It was shock and fear.

Agree OP. We were allowed some freedom whilst Spain locked down hard not letting kids leave the home at all.... only for their infections to rise up again. Thank you UK government because my 5 year old enjoyed his walks and bike rides, the thought of him being locked up for 42 days is cruel beyond words.

Interestingly, both from speaking to friends in Spain, and from seeing 300 kids a week in Italy in class, none of them at the moment are showing any kind of post-traumatic stress from having a stricter lockdown and not going out for a month or so.They did what they were told, they whinged (everyone is human after all!) and then when lockdown was relaxed got back to the new normal. That time now really has been largely forgotten, at least among the people I know personally (and of course me!) I do find myself thinking "oh dear god, not again" obviously when we hear about cases going up, but I guess that's an international feeling!
Sometimes it's the fear and worry about potential things rather than the actual things themselves. The first time I went out (after 6-7 weeks irrc) it was very odd. I felt like I was in too big a space.

There was some stuff I saw about mental health actually during these strict lockdowns, see this for example.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/italy-lockdown-mental-health-psychologists-coronavirus

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-52400085

Living in a top floor flat with DC.. I can well believe it. Being outside is so important.

8 in 10 Italians. Hmm. I wasn't asked to do a survey and nor was anyone I know. I wonder how many people were involved in the survey mentioned? It could have been 10 million- in which case, quite a significant number, or it could have been like when L'Oreal test a new cream and tell us 94% of users liked it (with teeny writing telling us 27 people tried it) I'll have a look in the Italian press to see if there is anything.

Love the bloke also saying first that suicide rates are slightly up, then saying the deaths can't be attributed to Covid, then saying obviously some of them are. Maybe if pushed he'd make his mind up.

And of course, none of the information in the article is about children in lockdown, but about business owners losing their jobs and income etc, which is more understandable. Though I'm sure (there were threads at the time) everyone remembers the bloke videoed in the middle of the street kicking the windows of a bank and screaming at the authorities- Sky news had him as a desperate and starving man at the end of his tether due to covid, when the reality was he was a businessman pissed off the cashpoint wasn't working.

Also worth noting that going to a psychologist is considered very normal and run of the mill here. I'd say of my 10 classes, there are 4 or 5 kids in each who regularly see a psychologist. Psychologists run after school clubs where kids go and do their homework for example.

I've found the original report (in Italian) The wording is a bit different. It says 80% of the Italians surveyed think that the help of a psychologist would be useful to those suffering from the effects of Coronavirus lockdown and that there should be psychologists available especially in hospitals where there are Covid patients, carehomes etc.

Isn't the Guardian naughty making us think that 80% of Italians need a psychologist?

Though even the Italian article speaks in very general terms saying that 60% of Italians (surveyed) say they may need psychological help (especially those who live with a spouse or partner with no children) but in the previous survey that percentage was only 40%.

One of my young relatives in Spain really really struggled with being in a one bedroom flat in a city centre during lockdown. She became a completely different child. She’s much improved now but still having some issues. Some kids weren’t fine.

Whilst I can only revere Whitby, I think Cummings was the secret weapon. His public endorsement of lockdown breaches made these actions so unpopular no self respecting individual can be associated with it.

The man made sticking to the rules trendy and cool. Genius.

I'm sure they weren't kaktus. It's been a monumental time for young people and that's partly why they need to get back into schools and a semblance of normality as soon as possible.
I'm always surprised to read (and you only have to look at the many posters on threads here- there was one the other day) talking about how their children thrived during lockdown not going to school. If my child had been a bundle of joy during lockdown and saying how they loved it I'd be far more concerned tbh.

@LemonTT
Do you think that was the govt's masterplan? Genius!

@LemonTT you are probably right! People would cut their noses off just to prove a point wouldn't they.

So it would seem. But maybe he knew that and we’ve been conned. 😱

We cannot be sure about this yet OP, I think it is way too early for smugness. Is it under actually under control or are we just a few weeks behind Spain and France like before perhaps? Let's see how it goes with schools and universities restarting and people being encouraged back to workplaces. If all goes well and things remain under control perhaps then you can have your and celebrate.

@ExmoorPony At the height of the pandemic the UK was doing appallingly, 42k deaths, way higher per capita than anywhere else in Europe (mainland)

Sure infection rates are up in europe but primarily in the young, death rates still very low, as they are in the UK too, despite an almost doubling of infection rates.

TBH no one has a clue what will happen this winter, UK Govt's own assessment is up to 85k CV deaths.

Its a global situation, we need global solutions not petty point scoring.

UK Govt's own assessment is up to 85k CV deaths

That is a worst case scenario, though.