That was quicker than I thought......

[Lostinagoodbook]

Child's school opened last week, email about a confirmed case in a child yesterday........ and so it begins. So not brought in by staff having coffee breaks in this instance(can you tell those comments annoyed me lol).

@dementedpixie
Oh yes, 10 if you test positive. We'd have to work it on a household basis here though so everyone here would need to self isolate for the 14 days as if I tested positive I couldn't leave the DC home alone during the 4 days difference.
If 1 of the DC tested positive then of course after 10 days they wouldn't be able to go to school alone (too young)

why would they get tested if they have no symptoms? If they have symptoms and get a negative test then they can return to school. If its positive, its 10 days isolation. If its close contact with a case its 14 days

Reading the title of the thread I thought it would be about how little time it's taken to start pissing and moaning about teachers actually in schools.

On the other hand I'm entirely unsurprised that infections have kicked in.

@dementedpixie

why would they get tested if they have no symptoms? If they have symptoms and get a negative test then they can return to school. If its positive, its 10 days isolation. If its close contact with a case its 14 days

I thought even if you tested negative you isolated if you had symptoms. Has that changed?

But it means they don't have covid so could be a cold or other illness. They don't have to isolate after a negative test as long as they feel well enough to go back to school

Please don’t send them back with a cold or other illness though. They’ll just give it to someone else and the whole cycle will start again.

and no the advice hasn't changed recently. You would only keep isolating after a negative test if you were only isolating due to contact with a postive case (I.e. no symptoms yourself) and you're still within the 14 day incuabtion period

@dementedpixie

why would they get tested if they have no symptoms? If they have symptoms and get a negative test then they can return to school. If its positive, its 10 days isolation. If its close contact with a case its 14 days

I thought the point of track and trace was to find the infection. So close contacts should be tested, regardless if symptoms, so that if they were covid positive they could then track their contacts?

Our school policy has been changed to include staying at home until cold is better - makes no difference if you've got a negative result. Unwell children aren't wanted in school now. Positive case - stay at home for at least 10 days. If negative isolate until feeling well. If symptom free (of anything) then they can return - unless isolating due to close contact with a positive case of course.

4th week ours are back (Scotland) and absolutely no cases in our council area. A few small outbreaks but none are linked to pupils passing it to each other in school. The one in Dundee that everyone keeps prattling on about was almost exclusively teachers/ staff and was linked to the partner of at least one of the staff working in a food processing factory (a renowned super spreading environment).

God knows why people in England aren’t studying the Scottish data and feeling quietly confident that evidence so far shows that pupils/ schools are not a major vector in spread.

That doesn’t fit with the covid paranoids who are salivating at the thought of hundreds of schools closing so they can be proved right and have an excuse to shut everyone’s children away again for an unlimited amount of time.

@Morfin, you are only asked to get tested if you have symptoms

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/

@Holyrivolli
Really? From (atleast) 1 partner of 1 member of staff?
So was that partner/staff membet the parent/carer of all 3 pupils then?
''By Friday evening, there had been 38 cases in total - 22 staff members, three pupils and 13 community contacts.''
Because of course, COVID can't get in to the schools & it can't have spread to the pupils and the rest of those staff members from that (atleast) 1 partner could it?

No one wants to shut children away. My children are going back to school next week, I'd like to know they, our family & our community will remain as safe as possible whilst doing so though.

The one in Dundee started with 8 positive adult cases, now seems to be up to 22 adults plus the 3 children and community cases

@MintyMabel, I have to be honest, the teachers at my school aren't all social distancing either. We live in an area which has mostly escaped Covid so far and complacency has definitely set in. The guidelines are there, but people are pretty much reverting back to how life was in February - they know Covid is around, but it's a faint rumble heard in a far off place.

This was not meant to be a teachers vs parents/ whoever thread at all!!! Just expressing surprise that we have a case in my child's school so quick and is in fact a child. Imo anyone can bring it in to the school environment, the only ? Is whether young children transmit as well as adults....

I thought it had been proven asymptomatic people can spread it so certainly not lack of symptoms that would stop chn spreading.

In response to the poster about teachers not being in bubbles...... in this instance staff who were close contacts(ta and/ or teacher) have also been sent to isolate so guess not 2m away at all times. Unsurprising as that's not feasible in primary. Perhaps more applicable in secondary?

I'm glad schools are open but for some the disruption is still going to be awful, hopefully even if cases stay high severe cases stay low though.

@Shitfuckoh. What those numbers show is that it spread between the adults and not the children. Unless you’re arguing that one of the two affected children affected all the teachers whilst only impacting one of his/ her fellow pupils.

There are many food processing factories in this area so many partners/ family members work there which is where all the big outbreaks are and in mitigation for this school, it was a special needs unit where social distancing is more difficult for adults due to the needs of their pupils.

What it doesn’t show is the point that you appear to want which is massive huge spread between pupils and pupils infecting teachers.

HolyRivolli, what you are missing is that people do not get tested unless they show symptoms. Children are more likely to be asymptomatic. The fact that more adults are getting positive tests could simply mean that more adults are getting tested (and retrospective antibody studies around the world suggest this is the case).

COVID can't get in to the schools

Definitely what Nicola wants everyone to believe. Isn't it funny how she can list 30 pubs related to the cluster in Aberdeen (some erroneously but they still kept listing them) because of the actions of a small group of people, but we're to believe that if anyone in a school gets it, it can't possibly have come from the school.

HolyRivolli, what you are missing is that people do not get tested unless they show symptoms.

Plenty of people are tested without symptoms. OH has been tested twice in a fortnight because of his job. His work alone has tested 200 people in two weeks.

@Nellodee

Complacency definitely an issue here too.

Already I hear of children just about to start school here with temperatures, ‘colds’ - yet not planning on having tests and looking forward to their first day at school. I imagine that is why next week children will be positive!

@Holyriviolli
I have children in schools, so no I do not want a ''massive huge spread between pupils''. I know from experience how difficult social distancing is in schools but special schools especially. 1 of my DC attends a special school.
To be honest, I really don't care who was 'the cause' of the spread in the school in Dundee - the fact is 22 staff members, 3 pupils and 13 community contacts HAVE tested positive - no matter where it's come from. As a parent to a child with complex needs, seeing how quickly it has spread in that setting IS worrying.
What it's shown is children are going to have their education disrupted, maybe not due to them getting COVID but due to their teachers getting it. Which does & will have an impact on children.

185 pupils attend that school in Dundee, what it has meant is 185 households (at least) have been told to self isolate for 14 days. That's a lot of disruption - especially as some children in special schools really struggle with change in routine - especially last minute changes like this.

@MintyMabel

HolyRivolli, what you are missing is that people do not get tested unless they show symptoms.

Plenty of people are tested without symptoms. OH has been tested twice in a fortnight because of his job. His work alone has tested 200 people in two weeks.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The guidelines in schools say students only need to be tested if they have been in contact with a positive case and develop symptoms. I think also with the outbreak in the special school, there may well have been some issues around students being able to cope with being tested.

@dementedpixie

Out of interest do they know how these cases in Dundee started and has any teacher or pupil been seriously ill ? I guess there was no bubble system for the teachers ? I

@Cloudburstagain

Already I hear of children just about to start school here with temperatures, ‘colds’ - yet not planning on having tests and looking forward to their first day at school. I imagine that is why next week children will be positive!

It's the same here too. One of my friends earlier said she's been ''dosing'' her DC up on his inhaler for the cough ''he'd usually get later in the year'' so hopefully it'll be gone before school starts back in a few days This isn't a 1 off case, there's been quite a few comments on a few posts on SM regarding calpol topping up etc!