That was quicker than I thought......

[Lostinagoodbook]

Child's school opened last week, email about a confirmed case in a child yesterday........ and so it begins. So not brought in by staff having coffee breaks in this instance(can you tell those comments annoyed me lol).

I'm in Lanarkshire. Still no cases in my dcs school. Lanarkshire is a big place taking in both North and South Lanarkshire

@MintyMabel

How do you know none of them are social distancing?

Because I see them.

What, all of them?? You wouldn't see me socially distancing with the other adults in my class - we're in together all day, but we are distancing from other staff - no more than 2 in the staff room, one at a time in the toilets, not allowed in others classrooms.

Is this just another “ bash the teachers “ thread ?

I’m not even a teacher ( just an appreciative parent ) and I’m sick fed up of these threads .

Scotland, and even all of these places are big places

But it is happening. Not in a localised way either, and happened within a week.

How is anywhere supposed to stop the spread of a cold?

By handwashing and social distancing - the same way you are supposed to stop the spread of covid.

Our teachers are social distancing in Scotland. Spending breaks on their own etc.

Are your teachers in my school? No? In that case this point is irrelevant.

What, all of them??

The vast majority of them. Or are you suggesting that only some of the teachers are supposed to do it some of the time.

how is anywhere supposed to stop the spread of a cold?

Erm... Really?

I thought with the cases in Lanarkshire most of the kids involved didn’t make it back to school because they tested positive before school started but all the papers made the headlines - pupils at X and Y school test positive. It was related to some house party and appears to have been nipped in the bud pronto.

I am grateful for every week my kids are in school and I accept the need for local lockdowns and periods of isolation due to contact tracing.

@MintyMabel well, that’s it isn’t? My DC have to use (communal) hand gel when entering school, leave outdoor shoes, jackets and bags in the cloakroom, then wash their hands before taking their seat in class. Repeat for playtime and lunch time. And every time a child sneezes or coughs, they must wash their hands immediately. No parents in playground, staggered times. However, as the Scot Gov maintains there is no requirement for SD within the school building, my DC picked up a bug within 3 weeks of returning, as have many others. And yes, we are fortunate it wasn’t Covid. We are also just out of local lockdown here, which makes us even more wary.

I'm asking how you can possibly know that none of the teachers are socially distancing? Of course all of them should be and if you see some that aren't you can complain but you have stated that none of them are when you can't possibly know.

If you only see the ones in your DCs bubble they would be unlikely to be socially distancing from one another anyway if they're squashed in the same classroom with 30 kids all day.

What is the protocol if a child tests positive i found it quite confusing who isolates and when and for how long?
In secondary if a child tests positive is the whole year group (bubble) sent home to isolate?

And what happens in between getting tested and waiting for results is the bubble isolating then aswell?

@BillywilliamV
Indeed! Unedifying but unsurprising glee.

@MadameBlobby

Distancing, hygiene and ventilation would limit spread of all bugs.

But schools not doing much on any of these so colds will still spread.

@Uhoh2020

What is the protocol if a child tests positive i found it quite confusing who isolates and when and for how long? In secondary if a child tests positive is the whole year group (bubble) sent home to isolate? And what happens in between getting tested and waiting for results is the bubble isolating then aswell?

Once positive test is received, 'close contacts' will be required to isolate. When? As soon as they are told to do so. How long - well I've seen 10 days and 14 days mentioned but I'm going off 14 days as that's in the DfE guidance & in our school policy.

2 positive tests mean PHE (or whatever they'll be called!) will investigate & decide whether the rest of the bubble need to isolate.

No one else is contacted until test results showing positive so everyone carries on as normal until results received (apart from the person being tested - and their family if person being tested has symptoms)

No one else is contacted until test results showing positive so everyone carries on as normal until results received

Yes the delay is bothering me. Pupil feels ill - pupil goes home - pupil gets test - pupil gets result - parents inform school* - school frantically tries to identify “close contacts” (how?) - close contacts get sent home.

(*At this point my school would also “deep clean” all the rooms the pupil had been using, which have in the meantime been used by loads of other kids.)

@HipTightOnions
Worries me too and I'm not even sure what is classed as a close contact. I read it's if your within 2m for 15 mins or something but considering it's airborne I have no idea how it'll work.
Even more difficult for someone like me who doesn't drive - the delay would be even longer!

If you would like to pinpoint the unedifying glee , go ahead and copy and paste.

Oh & teachers aren't part of the bubble so I have no idea who gets sent home if a teacher tests positive - sounds to me like it's a perfect way of ensuring the teacher remains working even if they've spent 1 hour + in a unventilated room with atleast 1 positive case!

@Shitfuckoh thanks for that. If the child tests negative do they still need to isolate for 14 days or can they return school (obviously only if they feel well enough) I've seen conflicting answers on this

They can only return with a negative test if they actually had symptoms. If they are isolating due to close contact with a case then its 14 days regardless of a negative test as thats the incubation period

[quote Uhoh2020]@Shitfuckoh thanks for that. If the child tests negative do they still need to isolate for 14 days or can they return school (obviously only if they feel well enough) I've seen conflicting answers on this[/quote]
No, after a negative they can return to school providing they have no symptoms. With a cough this is going to be fun.

not even sure what is classed as a close contact

From the guidance:

• direct close contacts - face to face contact with an infected individual for any length of time, within 1 metre, including being coughed on, a face to face conversation, or unprotected physical contact (skin-to-skin)
• proximity contacts - extended close contact (within 1 to 2 metres for more than 15 minutes) with an infected individual
• travelling in a small vehicle, like a car, with an infected person

So anyone (whose name they may not know) that they have spoken to at normal range, or touched, or anyone who has sat near them in a lesson (so woe betide any teacher not using a seating plan!), or got too close at lunchtime...

dementedpixie is right about close contacts

@Uhoh2020 if the symptoms are covid symptoms? Even if negative result they're supposed to continue to isolate for 14 days or until symptoms have gone.

I've just looked at the NHS website,
It states you do not need to isolate after a negative test if you feel well - stay at home until you're feeling better.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/what-your-test-result-means/

It also depends on your school policy. 1 of ours have said not to send them in until all symptoms gone - including sniffles

its 10 days if you test positive and 14 days if you are isolating due to close contact with a positive case

@dementedpixie

They can only return with a negative test if they actually had symptoms. If they are isolating due to close contact with a case then its 14 days regardless of a negative test as thats the incubation period

So will this put off people getting tested? If a child has to isolate for 14 days regardless of the result you can see parents thinking what's the point in an evasive test.