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Parents are the blockage at schools re-opening, not teaching unions

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noblegiraffe · 23/08/2020 10:32

The government has spent months demonising teaching unions and blaming them for blocking schools re-opening, including in June when it was actually the government’s own guidelines that prevented the further re-opening of primary schools.

This has left them in a bit of a pickle because schools are re-opening in September, the unions aren’t blocking it, there are no plans for teacher strikes, but the latest survey data from the ONS says that only 90% of parents are fairly or very likely to send their kids back. If the data is similar to back in June, better off parents are more likely to send their kids back, and more disadvantaged families are less likely.

So the government are now running a campaign aimed at parents, putting out articles across all newspapers. The Chief Medical Officers have dutifully said that schools are safe. And the responses are ‘see, schools need to reopen, our kids are being thrown under the bus’. The message is being read the wrong way. It’s being read as being targeted at teachers and unions who it is supposed are stopping schools opening, and not at parents who don’t want to send their kids back.

And this is the government’s fault. Because they have spent months creating a fake war, they have dropped the ball on a real issue - creating safer schools that parents are happy to send their kids back to.

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MarshaBradyo · 23/08/2020 12:44

Overall I think parents and teachers will be worried but vast majority will turn up at the start.

Hardbackwriter · 23/08/2020 12:44

Totally agree.
Something like half in Monday Tuesday, Cleaning Wednesday (this could be the day when teacher sets the 'home learning' work for the class too)
Other half in Thursday & Friday.
The teacher can 'teach' on the 2 days & then the pupils cover written work / work sheets / online learning relating to that on the other 3 days, with things like PE etc at home.

This would just result in lots of children either being in childcare, with grandparents, with other children etc for half the week - which does nothing to reduce spread so has a detrimental impact on their education for no gain.

Hardbackwriter · 23/08/2020 12:45

I'm a bit confused by the comments on this thread about classrooms being empty, no point opening with no students, etc. - I think 90% is quite a high rate, especially since most of the rest are undecided rather than having decided definitely not to send their children in.

Longwhiskers14 · 23/08/2020 12:47

@FlippinNoah

So Chris Whitty has been wheeled out to say that children will be safe - yes they probably will be, especially the younger ones. No mention of the risks to adult staff 😡

Teaching unions have never tried to block school 'reopening'. They just want them safe for EVERYONE.

Covid surveillance reports show that when the schools had YR, Y1 and Y6 back the number of reported outbreaks were higher in educational settings than there were in hospitals. So the government thought it necessary to publish the lie that 'there wasn't one case of pupil to teacher transmission'. Ok then 😡 Show me the Track & Trace proof and I'll retract that statement.

What worries me is that there doesn't appear to be a definitive Plan B for when cases start to rise ("Oh we MAY close pubs and shops!") and classes are half full with the other half of pupils self-isolating (and consequently their families) for 2 weeks.

If any of my DC's 'bubbles' have to SI then I do too - that's my class without their teacher for possibly up to 2 weeks.

It's just been one shitshow after another. I think we're in for a rough Autumn term....

Whitty did say it, but it was buried in the small print as a casual aside. I have a DC going back and my partner is also a teacher and I'm more worried for him than her. Every day he'll be in a classroom with 30 primary age kids with no mask or PPE – yet we're being told time and time again we must wear them in confined indoor areas such as shops and on public transport. It's amazing how schools are suddenly immune spaces! Yet he's less concerned than me – he can't wait to get back having not taught in person since March. His colleagues are the same.
SlipperSwan · 23/08/2020 12:48

@TestTrackEpcot

Total lie and misinformation

No union is blocking reopening

Appuskidu · 23/08/2020 12:48

@TestTrackEpcot

Yes, the NEU so please don’t call me a liar. I obviously have very different opinions so will leave this chat.
How have the NEU blocked September school openings?

Are you saying that your school or your child’s school are not opening in September then?

The Daily Mail would be all over this if it were true Grin.

Different opinions are fine. Saying the NEU have done something when they haven’t, is just lying.

WhyNotMe40 · 23/08/2020 12:48

I'm in NEU. The last couple of emails I've had were last week and we're about exam fairness. Which is a valid concern.
Before that it was something about student emotional welfare.
Then I'm into emails from May.
Hardly bombarded with petitions to close the schools!

noblegiraffe · 23/08/2020 12:48

The government are clearly worried, Hardback given that they have launched a massive campaign aimed at parents to convince them that schools are safe.

Why would they have done that if it’s all fine really?

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SlipperSwan · 23/08/2020 12:48

The NEU are not blocking reopening. TestTrackEpcot is lying to cause conflict.

WhyNotMe40 · 23/08/2020 12:48

Were

Longwhiskers14 · 23/08/2020 12:50

TestTrackEpcot My DP is a member of the main union and hasn't received any petition telling him to fight against going back. Can you clarify which union you're referring to?

Kazzyhoward · 23/08/2020 12:51

@Hardbackwriter

I'm a bit confused by the comments on this thread about classrooms being empty, no point opening with no students, etc. - I think 90% is quite a high rate, especially since most of the rest are undecided rather than having decided definitely not to send their children in.
Same here. Very surprised (but very happy) to see it was as high as 90%.

Maybe some of the other 10% are vulnerable children or live in vulnerable households?

Longwhiskers14 · 23/08/2020 12:52

@SlipperSwan

The NEU are not blocking reopening. TestTrackEpcot is lying to cause conflict.
Thought as much. Hmm
motherrunner · 23/08/2020 12:52

DH and I are NEU and have received no communication re petition/striking etc like precious posters communication has been in regards to examinations.

I call bull 💩

Shitfuckoh · 23/08/2020 12:52

My DC loves school & I really would hate to have to deregister him.
I'm considering all options, I'm not happy about the choices given but I think he'll probably go in & then see how things go. I was concerned to read if there's local lockdowns schools will stay open - if so that's where @hiredandsqueak advice will be very useful so thank you!

Lucindainthesky · 23/08/2020 12:52

I don't think many people want to keep their kids off now.

We've been at the extreme end of cautiousness throughout and have effectively shielded due to DH being vulnerable.

I'm very anxious about DD going back and bringing covid home. We're unlikely to catch it any other way as both will be WFH and not shopping or socialising.

But she will be going back. She needs an education and she needs to see other kids.

The vast majority of people seem to be less worried about covid than we are so if we're sending ours back I really can't imagine many won't.

motherrunner · 23/08/2020 12:52

*previous

noblegiraffe · 23/08/2020 12:55

3 kids in every class not going back to school is a good thing, not a worrying thing?

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noblegiraffe · 23/08/2020 12:59

Maybe some of the other 10% are vulnerable children or live in vulnerable households?

And what has the government got planned for those kids? Remote learning? No, fines for non-attendance.

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HipTightOnions · 23/08/2020 12:59

Their schools have given a very detailed report and risk assessment on how they will open safely

Mine has too. It looks good at first sight but it you work in the school you can see it’s full of holes and what is there is unworkable in practice.

WhyNotMe40 · 23/08/2020 13:00

Same here

Appuskidu · 23/08/2020 13:03

@TestTrackEpcot

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.
Thank you MNHQ for deleting this post-it’s so important that such blatant lies are not left to stand and misinform others.
TheHoneyBadger · 23/08/2020 13:20

Nasuwt member here. Recent emails have been about making sure your school is aware if you’re in a risk group (eg underlying illness or obesity) or will be in your third trimester of pregnancy and ensuring there’s a risk assessment in place. Hardly unreasonable and definitely not about blocking schools from opening.

We still don’t have a whole school risk assessment yet let alone individual ones but hopefully will have before I go back to work in 9 days time.

We’re all opening and everyone can sit back and observe how the governments experiment pans out without unions or teachers or any other bogeyman to blame.

PleasantVille · 23/08/2020 13:27

How many people pass through the average supermarket per day? I have no idea.
The school I work in has 1900 students and approx 200 staff I think. It's not huge. Most are there.all day
Genuinely don't know how it compares.

Google tells me that the average Morrisons (first result that came up) has nearly 25.000 customers per week about whom they have no information, no way to make sure they wash their hands, no influence over, no working relationship with and thousands of products on the shelves yet no supermarket has ever suggested they close for a day a week for cleaning, it's totally unnecessary.

We need to put out efforts to minimising actual risks in schools not ones that have no scientific basis.

HipTightOnions · 23/08/2020 13:32

We need to put out efforts to minimising actual risks in schools not ones that have no scientific basis.

The trouble is it’s easy to ask pupils to bring in hand gel and put up posters encouraging them to wash their hands, so we can pretend we’re doing something.

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