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Parents are the blockage at schools re-opening, not teaching unions

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noblegiraffe · 23/08/2020 10:32

The government has spent months demonising teaching unions and blaming them for blocking schools re-opening, including in June when it was actually the government’s own guidelines that prevented the further re-opening of primary schools.

This has left them in a bit of a pickle because schools are re-opening in September, the unions aren’t blocking it, there are no plans for teacher strikes, but the latest survey data from the ONS says that only 90% of parents are fairly or very likely to send their kids back. If the data is similar to back in June, better off parents are more likely to send their kids back, and more disadvantaged families are less likely.

So the government are now running a campaign aimed at parents, putting out articles across all newspapers. The Chief Medical Officers have dutifully said that schools are safe. And the responses are ‘see, schools need to reopen, our kids are being thrown under the bus’. The message is being read the wrong way. It’s being read as being targeted at teachers and unions who it is supposed are stopping schools opening, and not at parents who don’t want to send their kids back.

And this is the government’s fault. Because they have spent months creating a fake war, they have dropped the ball on a real issue - creating safer schools that parents are happy to send their kids back to.

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latticechaos · 24/08/2020 12:05

@TheHoneyBadger

I agree with your post, the people who get very angry about how SAFE everything is and how there is NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT are struggling themselves.

latticechaos · 24/08/2020 12:07

@ChavvySexPond

Why have Chris Whitty and Boris Johnson been wheeled out to encourage parents to send their children back to school if 90% are planning to do so anyway???
The independent was reporting only 'two thirds' are ok with returning.

They would not have been doing all this if everything was fine.

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 12:11

And Jenny "Cheltenham is safe" Harries as well now. Hmm

I'm idly looking at UK holiday lets for the first three weeks of the school year. We can rent something rather nice for what we usually pay in the school holidays. Wink

lifeafter50 · 24/08/2020 12:12

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HipTightOnions · 24/08/2020 12:14

having earlier admitted that she (?) has poor classroom control

Did she bollocks.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 24/08/2020 12:15

@lifeafter50

Particularly when they’re not even allowed to visit their friends house This poster shows a woeful ignorance of what teenagers are Z try doing g right now, which is and out of each others' houses and congregating in droves. Particularly worrying lack of understanding from someone who claims to be a teacher, having earlier admitted that she (?) has poor classroom control and is used to having pupils hurl expletives at her on lessons. Maybe not knowing what teenagers are up to partly explains her abysmal suboptimal standard of behaviour management.
rude
WhyNotMe40 · 24/08/2020 12:16

What a low opinion you have of our young people life

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 12:19

I'm amazed it's as high as two thirds @latticechaos.

The 90% figure doesn't fit with my friend group and general social environment. I might be one of the more militant about it but everyone is uneasy.

And we know all sorts of people, (Nobody thick or in thrall to fanny steaming wellness bullshit or stupid conspiracy theories. Not many Brexit supporters we're not related to. No racists that we're not related to.)

IloveJKRowling · 24/08/2020 12:24

The government have invested far more in manipulating public opinions than they have in making schools safer.

This

TheHoneyBadger · 24/08/2020 12:24

Really what a vile personal and professional attack that was. Also completely false.

Though I’ve yet to meet a state secondary school teacher who hasn’t been sworn at before I don’t know where the hurling expletives or having poor behaviour management comes from.

Who was that character with the poisonous headline writing quill in HP?

TheHoneyBadger · 24/08/2020 12:27

It’s actually the first time I’ve been genuinely personally offended on these boards. Just pop up and spew bile at someone? Not quite in the spirit I’d say

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 12:28

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@ChavvySexPond well i can speak from my experience and you speak from yours , none of my friends are not sending there kids back and are all happy with how schools are handling it here , we have low case numbers so this may make a difference .[/quote]
Absolutely. We speak as we find.

I do worry why as a country we can't predict the inevitable and have to continually learn everything the hard way.

looks at some more September holiday cottages

TheHoneyBadger · 24/08/2020 12:30

Teens round here are not in and out of each other’s houses in droves. I have a teenager and know most of the teenagers around here between teaching them and/or them being ds’s mates.

Where on Earth do you live? Sounds awful.

Thunderpunt · 24/08/2020 12:31

@ChavvySexPond

I'm amazed it's as high as two thirds *@latticechaos*.

The 90% figure doesn't fit with my friend group and general social environment. I might be one of the more militant about it but everyone is uneasy.

And we know all sorts of people, (Nobody thick or in thrall to fanny steaming wellness bullshit or stupid conspiracy theories. Not many Brexit supporters we're not related to. No racists that we're not related to.)

And yet I have quite a wide circle of friends, and customers - including a couple of secondary school teachers, all of reasonable intelligence I think, and all of them are returning to teach or sending their children back to school. All of them recognise the risk, all of them are prepared for the fact that there might be localised closures, or bubbles made to isolate. But I don't know of one person who is considering keeping their kids off school or particularly worried about it. So I'm amazed it's not higher than two thirds, and am inclined to believe it's closer to the 90%
ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 12:31

@WhyNotMe40

What a low opinion you have of our young people life
I've been extremely proud of mine throughout.
ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 12:35

@Thunderpunt

Wheeling out the PM the CMO and DCMO for a media blitz indicates to me that the government have some concerns about parents not sending their children back next week.

I'm not sure how worried they'd be about 10%. A third though...

TheHoneyBadger · 24/08/2020 12:40

I’ve been proud of mine too. Both my own son, the ones I’ve been in school with and the ones I’ve seen around the village and said hello to.

They are now calling for each other to ride around on their bikes or play football outdoors but with masks in case they want to go into a shop.

I’ve also been proud of my school for the most part. Good online provision, lots of consultation of parents, students and staff and good communication. We’ve done a good job despite having the odd teenager who can’t get through a day without swearing at someone

MoreListeningLessChatting · 24/08/2020 12:43

I had a questionnaire to complete to say if mine were returning and how I felt about it.

Have many others had that?

WhyNotMe40 · 24/08/2020 12:47

I'm returning to teaching secondary.
I'm also returning my kids to primary.
Doesn't mean I'm not worried about it or think there are appropriate and adequate mitigations in place. There are not.

motherrunner · 24/08/2020 12:49

@MoreListeningLessChatting I’ve had to fill out a well-being questionnaire for my children.

motherrunner · 24/08/2020 12:49

@WhyNotMe40

I'm returning to teaching secondary. I'm also returning my kids to primary. Doesn't mean I'm not worried about it or think there are appropriate and adequate mitigations in place. There are not.
Agreed, same here.
Thunderpunt · 24/08/2020 12:55

[quote ChavvySexPond]@Thunderpunt

Wheeling out the PM the CMO and DCMO for a media blitz indicates to me that the government have some concerns about parents not sending their children back next week.

I'm not sure how worried they'd be about 10%. A third though... [/quote]
Yes I agree. And it is a concern.

Whether 10% or a third - that's a lot of kids being kept off of school.

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 13:00

I'm not sure "Feel the fear but do it anyway applies in this situation."

The pattern in other countries seems to be that the young people pass it on to the older generations so even if people don't worry about the infection level in the country as a whole rising surely they have concerns about their own patents and grandparents catching it. No one knows who is vulnerable to it really do they?

Thunderpunt · 24/08/2020 13:05

@noblegiraffe
I'm interested in your earlier assertion that clinically vulnerable teachers are being forced back into the classroom.

My friends daughter was hoping to stay on for sixth form to do Business Studies. Turns out 2 of the 3 teachers who teach Business Studies are shielding/vulnerable so won't be returning to school. So there will only be one class, meaning many students have either had to leave and take a place at college to do BS or chose an alternative subject.
How does that fit with teachers being forced back, surely they have some choice - or at least it would appear so. Or has my friends daughter been spun a line? (They are a notoriously ruthless school and quite inflexible when it comes to sixth form admissions.... she was 3 marks off of 6 for maths GCSE and they wouldn't let her do A levels so then she wanted to do a Btec BS course on offer at school)
Not intending to be goady, but genuinely interested to hear your take on this?

ChavvySexPond · 24/08/2020 13:05

@Thunderpunt

A solution would be a workable plan rather than a concerted effort to gaslight the country.