Why not masks for all in secondary schools ?

[countryroses]

Why not ?

Hercwasonaroll

University lectures are also videoed Including when students ask questions or are reprimanded.. So 0-5 and 18-21 are both videoed (not always but at least sometimes). Maybe it’s time for 5-18 too?

Raphael

I'm all for change but not at the expense of student welfare.

Nurseries is interesting, does that include sound? Presumably the links to the cameras are protected?

I can see some similarity. But your nursery peers won't watch and laugh at things.

Hercwasonaroll

It can include sound. You get a password and a link as a parent and are made to swear blind you will not share the video.

A University lecture is a very different environment to a classroom.

The same model may be suitable for school children under 16. They also make it a pain technically to copy the video so you can’t easily share it online. Although you could always take a screenshot i suppose.

made to swear blind you will not share the video.

Good luck with that on teenagers!

Screenshots and screen record features will be used. I have experience of students videoing my secretly in the classroom and its not pleasant.

A University lecture is a very different environment to a classroom.

Yes neither nurseries nor university are identical. But my only point is that some of the objections would be the same. The remaining objections should be considered carefully and realistically.

In reality I think a main objection is that the teachers themselves don’t want to be recorded and watched by parents of the school. This is reasonable but should be explicitly stated.

I have experience of students videoing my secretly in the classroom and its not pleasant.

Unpleasant but also argues against not recording lessons. If teenagers can and do record lessons in any case, it might be better to have an official curated record.

I don't want to be recorded and parents watch. Mainly because I'll be spending too much time justifying behaviour management decisions instead of planning, marking and teaching.

It is an argument against it when you get shared on social media. That could happen from an official recording and is made easier as you haven't got to record it yourself.

I do find it sad how much effort teachers have to put into behaviour management instead of teaching. When I was at school in France the teachers just taught. If you misbehaved you were sent directly to a terrifying person whose only job was behaviour management.

It is an argument against it when you get shared on social media. That could happen from an official recording and is made easier as you haven't got to record it yourself.

That should be no easier technically than sharing a Netflix film on social media which I think doesn’t happen, because they are just too hard to record and the legal risk. Screenshots, as I say could be done. But then that’s a specific problem that may be solvable. For example by just removing any video parts during a “classroom incident”,

Screen recorders are a thing and have already been used on 'live lessons' to share parts on social media.

Whole films don't tend to be shared because there are other ways to watch them illegally. Short snippets of a teacher, even just explaining something, can, and have, been shared.

Short snippets of a teacher, even just explaining something, can, and have, been shared.

Yes but that is from their phones I assume.

In general we live in a world where everything is recorded. As soon as the children leave the school they are likely to be on CCTV and they will be recording each other all the time. The teenagers will be doing this sometimes when drunk or high, sometimes when naked , sometimes without permission.

For school teaching, the way we record lessons clearly needs careful thought. But I don’t think we can say a blanket no.

@notevenat20
They also make it a pain technically to copy the video so you can’t easily share it online.

It doesn't matter what you do to the video itself. You can download a free screen recorder and set it to record any part if your screen for however long you want. It doesn't trigger any safety measures nor notify anyone. It's incredibly simple, which is why I taught my school staff how to use it to create bespoke demonstration videos to teach with during lockdown.

As someone who works in a school where we already had a child launch a social media smear campaign against staff in school and made allegations of staff being alcoholics, prostitutes, etc, I would be completely against this. The majority of children would be responsible but there is a significant minority who would use it to make teachers' lives hell.

From phones, laptops, screen records of zoom/teams lessons. It's not pleasant being the person in the video that has been cut/edited/shared widely to make you look like a twat when all you were doing is teaching. By providing videos of lessons, this will happen even more.

Realistically, someone is gong to have the job of going through the days recordings and removing parts. Maybe they will be audio plus video of the whiteboard only as well.

I watched an online university lecture series and in the first one the questions from the audience were silenced. From the second onwards they weren’t, I assume because the policy changed.

From phones, laptops, screen records of zoom/teams lessons. It's not pleasant being the person in the video that has been cut/edited/shared widely to make you look like a twat when all you were doing is teaching.

Deeply unpleasant. I guess audio doesn’t have that problem. Maybe it should be video for primary, audio+whiteboard for year 7-11 and video for the last two years.

visors would be perfect

I'd also question the value of it. The educational content could be delivered in a simplier way to an individual remotely without them watching the whole session. That comes back to the idea that people seem to have that teaching in primary and secondary schools looks like lecturing in university. It doesn't, especially not at primary.

Equally, I wouldn't want a child to be sat there watching their class have a laugh and a joke or do something fun. That would just highlight to them how 'out of it' they are and lead to negative feelings.

From phones, laptops, screen records of zoom/teams lessons.

If this is even happening from unrecorded zoom/teams then it seems the problem is bigger and different from what we started discussing.

The educational content could be delivered in a simplier way to an individual remotely without them watching the whole session.

How much teaching could each child receive that way? It would seem to 1/30th.

@notevenat20
Maybe it should be video for primary

The social media smear campaign I referenced early was done by a primary school pupil. If he had had videos to mess around with then it would have been so much worse.

The social media smear campaign I referenced early was done by a primary school pupil

I hope they received suitable help/punishment.

@notevenat20

The educational content could be delivered in a simplier way to an individual remotely without them watching the whole session.

How much teaching could each child receive that way? It would seem to 1/30th.

I don't mean live delivery within the lesson. I mean sessions set up on an online learning platform. Again, we come back to this misconception that live lessons are the best in terms of educational value. The research showed that live lessons have no educational advantage over recorded videos and an online learning platform and, unless a child had their own dedicated device, they actually had a disadvantage. Live lessons' main advantage was for parents: it took the child away for a set time each day.

School lessons don't look like lectures. In a typical lesson, I will spend up to 10 minutes directly instructing the pupils. That's mostly less and sometimes significantly less. The majority of the learning happens during the time that I'm circulating the classroom and having one-to-one or small group discussing and giving instant feedback on work. This cannot be replicated online through live lesson technology.