Would you be willing to be put under house arrest in order to save lives?

[Treesofwood]

Just that really. Would you be willing to go to prison to save lives? Would you be willing to give up your children's right to an education to save lives? This whole situation brings up many philosophical questions for me, and my theoretical response is not actually the sane as my response when faced with the reality.

That's why we need central policies that attempt to look at the whole of society and not individuals.

Based on your posts over the last few months @Hearhoovesthinkzebras, it seems as though you mean central policies that put you first, and those in your exact position.

Because when it comes to making policies that affect society, it's impossible to 100% suit everyone. And yet when people have outlined ways in which we could proceed which benefits the biggest proportion of society including the vast majority of children and young people, you have said these suggestions don't suit you and your exact circumstances and therefore it's not fair.

You're all applauding Phil's response which is basically let people do what they want including discarding any infection control measures whilst simultaneously describing how abused women and children have suffered, education has suffered, non Covid medical services have suffered,

It's not a competition in misery, but don't bloody well tell me about negative impacts of the lockdown and yes, I'll use the words suffering.

I've had zero access to medical specialists and still don't, I've had multiple infections due to the drugs I'm taking and one so severe, I should have called an ambulance but didn't (a bit twatty I'll admit), I dealt with it, Christ knows how, but I did and I still have issues after it now. I still have no access to the medical specialists, because the department is shut down still and in their words "it's too dangerous to have a consultation in person", yet the same person who said that to me was sat on the next table to me in a bar swilling wine for a couple of hours. Wasn't too dangerous to do that was it?

But I still stand by what I said I'd like to see happen. Get the bloody country open.

You say your post isn't about you, but all I've seen in them is "Me" and "I".

Show me a dentist prepared to risk their licence and life by working without PPE? Where are they? Who are they?

Wow... you really have difficulty understanding words don't you

Where the fuck has PPE sprung from now when we were talking about SD.

Unless you are admitting that you are actually aware of other infection control measures besides SD, meaning your accusation that a pp wanted to disregard infection control was gasp a LIE 🤔

@PhilCornwall1

You're all applauding Phil's response which is basically let people do what they want including discarding any infection control measures whilst simultaneously describing how abused women and children have suffered, education has suffered, non Covid medical services have suffered,

It's not a competition in misery, but don't bloody well tell me about negative impacts of the lockdown and yes, I'll use the words suffering.

I've had zero access to medical specialists and still don't, I've had multiple infections due to the drugs I'm taking and one so severe, I should have called an ambulance but didn't (a bit twatty I'll admit), I dealt with it, Christ knows how, but I did and I still have issues after it now. I still have no access to the medical specialists, because the department is shut down still and in their words "it's too dangerous to have a consultation in person", yet the same person who said that to me was sat on the next table to me in a bar swilling wine for a couple of hours. Wasn't too dangerous to do that was it?

But I still stand by what I said I'd like to see happen. Get the bloody country open.

You say your post isn't about you, but all I've seen in them is "Me" and "I".

Getting the bloody country open will just make it worse. We'll be right back where we were, then what? Hospitals overwhelmed but no second lockdown. What will happen then? Rationing - on the basis of what? Age? Disability? Everyone on here ok with that? No one over 60 giving hospital care? Anyone with a disability not treated, including children? All ok with that? Then what happens to those not able to get into.hospital? Just left to die at home? All ok with that?

"That's why we need central policies that attempt to look at the whole of society and not individuals."

You only agree with the guidelines and rules that suit you. There have been lots of threads where you have argued against things that are allowed by law such as specific legally agreed reasonable adjustments for certain groups to prevent people within those groups from excessive suffering.

Careful or this thread will be pulled under accusations of "bullying"

@Pertella

Show me a dentist prepared to risk their licence and life by working without PPE? Where are they? Who are they?

Wow... you really have difficulty understanding words don't you

Where the fuck has PPE sprung from now when we were talking about SD.

Unless you are admitting that you are actually aware of other infection control measures besides SD, meaning your accusation that a pp wanted to disregard infection control was gasp a LIE 🤔

I asked what are the consequences of abandoning SD. You responded

People might be able to go to the dentist for their routine checks at last.

Thats one consequence.

I replied about PPE because your response makes no sense. How does SD stop dentists from doing check ups? There's only one patient in the room at a time. Why can't dentists do check ups because of SD?

You are making incomprehensible arguments

I have a life described as above but it doesn’t make you immune to mental health problems and I’ve suffered badly during lockdown. Having a nice house doesn’t mean you don’t want your children to go to school and have an education! Or want to be stuck at home forever. I think you’re barking up the wrong tree totally here and it isn’t ‘naice’ sahm mum’s wanting society to shut down. Why would they?

Still here then?

Why can't dentists do check ups because of SD?

Hmm.... let's think about that for a second 🤔

You are making incomprehensible arguments

Aha ha 😅 nice DARVO 👌

"I'm walking away now. I'm not reporting any of the posts that are just personal attacks. Let them stand so everyone can see."

I think a lot of your posts over the last few months a would make interesting reading for someone looking for examples of baiting, targeting and bullying.

I've stayed at home so that I didn't get ill and take hospital care away from someone else.

I call bullshit to this. You didn't do it to protect other people, you did it to protect yourself. Which is fine, perfectly normal behaviour. It would be strange not to want to protect yourself. But you keep positioning yourself as the person who has made all the sacrifices whilst the baying mob outside have gone about their lives as normal, which is blatantly untrue.

Do you also refuse to use any healthcare in normal times so that you can leave the appointments free for other people? Do you refuse to travel by car or bus, so that you can leave the roads free for other people? Do you not buy food at the supermarket, so that there is more left for other people? Because that's the same logic. If people didn't look out for their own families interests no one would survive to adulthood.

Getting the bloody country open will just make it worse. We'll be right back where we were, then what?

No we wouldn't necessarily. Getting the care homes sorted so that it can't spread through the most vulnerable people would make a huge difference. I think the figure is around a third of Covid deaths were of people in care homes, or in hospital but had been in a care home. Plus people generally being more aware with regards to masks, hand washing, social distancing etc. Plus while the figure of I think it's 6% of people having had it is way too low for herd immunity, obviously as more people are immune, the transmission will slow.

I'm not saying that we should open up necessarily by the way, or that we won't have any more problems, I am just saying that I think it would be unlikely that we would be in the March position again.

@Underhisi

"I'm walking away now. I'm not reporting any of the posts that are just personal attacks. Let them stand so everyone can see."

I think a lot of your posts over the last few months a would make interesting reading for someone looking for examples of baiting, targeting and bullying.

And so would the treatment that I get on threads. Immediately ganged up on, personal attacks which are against the rules, posters making up stuff about me, encouraging others to join in but sure I'm the bully.

Why can't dentists do check ups because of SD?

Hmm.... let's think about that for a second 🤔

Ok, so explain then. Why does SD stop dentists from doing check ups? They are wearing full PPE, they do aerosolising treatment, routine check ups wearing full PPE isn't hazardous so where does SD come into it?

It’s Odd that you think you’ve been bullied hooves when that’s exactly what you’ve done on every single bloody thread about difficulty wearing masks.

And so would the treatment that I get on threads. Immediately ganged up on, personal attacks which are against the rules, posters making up stuff about me, encouraging others to join in but sure I'm the bully.

You know that saying 'if one person is a dickhead then they are probably just a dickhead, but if everyone is a dickhead then....'

@isabellerossignol

I've stayed at home so that I didn't get ill and take hospital care away from someone else.

I call bullshit to this. You didn't do it to protect other people, you did it to protect yourself. Which is fine, perfectly normal behaviour. It would be strange not to want to protect yourself. But you keep positioning yourself as the person who has made all the sacrifices whilst the baying mob outside have gone about their lives as normal, which is blatantly untrue.

Do you also refuse to use any healthcare in normal times so that you can leave the appointments free for other people? Do you refuse to travel by car or bus, so that you can leave the roads free for other people? Do you not buy food at the supermarket, so that there is more left for other people? Because that's the same logic. If people didn't look out for their own families interests no one would survive to adulthood.

It's not just about protecting myself, no. It's about being aware of the behaviour that will contribute to there being a second wave and refusing to be a part of it. If there is a second wave I'll be shielded again so it won't be me at risk, it will be all of you who will be expected to carry on working.

Tbh, saying you can't believe anyone acts in the interests of others rather than themselves says more about you - why can't you believe people act for the greater good? Is it because you don't so you can't believe anyone else does?

Why would you come on to a thread about difficulty in wearing masks, for example, and immediately make it all about you and how much danger the non mask wearers are putting you in? How they should be forced to go to shops at different times and put off buses if you get on?

How does that make Life any easier or contribute to a debate of things that might help for those who are struggling with not Wearing a mask and have been verbally assaulted over it?

Ok, so explain then. Why does SD stop dentists from doing check ups? They are wearing full PPE, they do aerosolising treatment, routine check ups wearing full PPE isn't hazardous so where does SD come into it?

Its almost like SD isn't the only infection control measure.

You accused a pp of wanting to disregard infection control measures when they said businesses that couldn't maintain SD should be able to operate.

Are you now going to retract that statement as you are obviously fully aware that there are other measures besides SD that can control infection.

let people do what they want including discarding any infection control measures

This poster wants businesses to open without social distancing. - that's discarding infection control measures

@Noneformethanks

It’s Odd that you think you’ve been bullied hooves when that’s exactly what you’ve done on every single bloody thread about difficulty wearing masks.

Yeah sure. Pot calling the kettle black there. I'm not posting on that thread anymore so of course you need to follow me here and resurrect your attacks on me. Did you not do enough of that last night on the other thread?

Tbh, saying you can't believe anyone acts in the interests of others rather than themselves says more about you - why can't you believe people act for the greater good? Is it because you don't so you can't believe anyone else does?

If you could just point out where I said that, that would be great. You'll not be able to though, because you know as well as I did that that's not what I said.

@Noneformethanks

Why would you come on to a thread about difficulty in wearing masks, for example, and immediately make it all about you and how much danger the non mask wearers are putting you in? How they should be forced to go to shops at different times and put off buses if you get on?

How does that make Life any easier or contribute to a debate of things that might help for those who are struggling with not Wearing a mask and have been verbally assaulted over it?

Oh you mean in response to people telling me that I should have to get off of the bus multiple times on a single journey, because that's what her colleague does and so that's what all vulnerable people should do?

Kindly stop cherry picking and misquoting what was said on other threads, attacking me and then accusing me of derailing if I defend myself.

It's not just about protecting myself, no. It's about being aware of the behaviour that will contribute to there being a second wave and refusing to be a part of it. If there is a second wave I'll be shielded again so it won't be me at risk, it will be all of you who will be expected to carry on working.

A second wave is inevitable without a vaccine, unless we lock down until a vaccine, or forever if a vaccine doesn't come. A 'second wave' does not mean a repeat of the first, it means a rise in cases again.

I do lots of things for the greater good.

I’m not getting buses. Or community rural transport. I’m taking my own car or getting a family member to drive me.

I stay in as much as I possibly can and only go out when I have to.

I wear a fucking bastard lanyard and card that yells unclean unclean.

But I am allowed in law to live my life. And go out without a mask.

That’s not what the poster said hooves and you know it

@isabellerossignol

Tbh, saying you can't believe anyone acts in the interests of others rather than themselves says more about you - why can't you believe people act for the greater good? Is it because you don't so you can't believe anyone else does?

If you could just point out where I said that, that would be great. You'll not be able to though, because you know as well as I did that that's not what I said.

You said this

I call bullshit to this and then went on to say my actions are only about protecting myself.