Not doing quarantine properly.

[irishheartenglishblood]

DH spoke to a friend earlier who arrived back from France at 4pm on Sat, so 12hrs after quarantine started.
Said friend and family are going to WFH, but are planning on daily trips to the park, a once weekly trip to the supermarket, and to meet up with family next week.
DF firmly believes their behaviour is within keeping of the quarantine rules.

I'm quite torn. On the one hand, it seems quite arbitrary. On the other hand, if everyone who is supposed to be quarantining does this then it probably increases risk. But then they may have been staying in areas where the infection rate was lower than here. I think that was the case for DH's friend.

Thoughts?

You can see how many sheeple have fallen for the ideology hook, line and sinker even from threads on here, legion of them, sneery, judgey, spiteful and nasty about people travelling abroad. Fits right into the government's xenophobic groupthink. You even see must referral to the collective 'we' ad nauseum. 'WE' need to . . . . 'They' deserve it for . . .

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

You can see how many sheeple have fallen for the ideology hook, line and sinker even from threads on here, legion of them, sneery, judgey, spiteful and nasty about people travelling abroad. Fits right into the government's xenophobic groupthink. You even see must referral to the collective 'we' ad nauseum. 'WE' need to . . . . 'They' deserve it for . . .

Same goes for the neanderthal's shouting and foot stomping "We NEED to open the schools". "We NEED to get our CHILREN back to school." Spouting off and not prepared to acknowledge or listen to the concerns of the people actually running the school.

Our schools here in Scotland went back last week. Didn't see anyone shouting or foot-stomping at the entrances .

How over-dramatic. The kids just went right in.

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

Our schools here in Scotland went back last week. Didn't see anyone shouting or foot-stomping at the entrances .

oh excuse me I thought you had the intelligence to know I was referring to the sneering spiteful posts on here that you were referring to.

But they aren't really being 'incredibly selfish' if they don't follow quarantine to the letter as they have no evidence they have been in contact with any active cases. I got back a few hours before quarantine kicked in - am I being selfish because I don't voluntarily observe it, as, logically, I'm just as likely to be infected as someone who got back a few hours later? Since in the last week there were more cases in my borough than in the part of France I was in, why am I any more 'dangerous' than anyone else living in my borough?

I would have observed quarantine if I had got back the following morning as I am law-abiding and don't want to be fined, but I think it's the arbitrary and excessive nature of it that makes people less likely to do it. Not being able to leave the house for exercise seems particularly draconian.

oh excuse me I thought you had the intelligence to know I was referring to the sneering spiteful posts on here that you were referring to.

PMSL! 1/10 for attempt to be condescending and patronising at once. 0/10 for attempt to be facetious.

Being in Scotland, I tend to tune out threads about English schools, they have no bearing on my life, a bit like how our entire country is usually treated by many south of the our border.

If you had read my post, I referred specifically to threads about people travelling abroad, not about what English schools are doing, about which I care little to nothing as I do not live there.

Indeo

“...sneery, judgey, spiteful and nasty”

Also Indeo

“sheeple”
“...what English schools are doing, about which I care little to nothing as I do not live there”

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

If you had read my post, I referred specifically to threads about people travelling abroad, not about what English schools are doing, about which I care little to nothing as I do not live there.

read mine and you'll see I never mentioned English schools either.

@SmileEachDay

Indeo

“...sneery, judgey, spiteful and nasty”

Also Indeo

“sheeple”
“...what English schools are doing, about which I care little to nothing as I do not live there”

Yes, because I see so much from posters in England on Scottish school threads. It's exactly the same as 'People who travel abroad DESERVE what they get!' and the like that have proliferated on here in the past month or so.

Well, mrs, I never saw any 'foot-stamping' or 'shouting' on the school threads I've been on. You may have been on different ones.

Ours went in without a quibble. They've been in a week now.

Maybe there will be some scenes at the entrances to English ones, I don't know.

I also don't see the juxtaposition between being judgemental, sneery and nasty about travel abroad and not engaging in threads about schools in England when you don't even live there, but it suits one's agenda of making everything personal and an argument they need to point score.

The OP's friends' behaviour sounds fairly low risk. As long as they're not socialising/working in an enclosed environment in close proximity with non-household members then I can't get particularly worked up about it.

juststopswimming as they are not testing people on Q14 there will not be any data on the point. That's quite convenient for the government.

I'm on Q at the moment, I arrived back 6 hours after the deadline , travelled in a motorhome in the tunnel so didn't leave the vehicle from the point at which the Q came in to when I got home (have toilet etc in Motorhome).

I'm livid that I now can't leave my home for 2 weeks, not even to walk my poor dog.

@cantdothisnow1

juststopswimming as they are not testing people on Q14 there will not be any data on the point. That's quite convenient for the government.

I'm on Q at the moment, I arrived back 6 hours after the deadline , travelled in a motorhome in the tunnel so didn't leave the vehicle from the point at which the Q came in to when I got home (have toilet etc in Motorhome).

I'm livid that I now can't leave my home for 2 weeks, not even to walk my poor dog.

you have all my sympathy. I think the measures imposed on returning travellers are horrifically OTT. Personally - if i was confident i wouldnt be snitched on - i would be going out for walks etc. I really cant see any risk from doing that.

[takes cover]

We are quarantining . We left France Friday night but still missed the deadline. I will respect the rules but I think the Q14 is too onerous and will lead people to totally ignore it. It would be more sensible IMO to allow trips to the supermarket with a mask, outdoor exercise, dog walking, etc. like we had in lockdown. The risk from that would be minimal when balanced against the chances of people in Q14 actually being contagious.

What was the rate per 100,000 where they came from?

What is the rate per 100,000 where they are now?

You know that 75% of people now testing positive have no symptoms at all

France cases by Department
geodes.santepubliquefrance.fr/#c=indicator&i=sp_ti_tp_7j.tx_pe_gliss&s=2020-08-09-2020-08-15&t=a01&view=map2
Marseilles is a bit riskier than Morbihan

You know that 75% of people now testing positive have no symptoms at all

People say this like it's a good thing - this is the whole fricking problem and why unlike SARS and MERS it is spreading so efficiently.

This is exactly why quarantine is vital.

Because once an asymptomatic person takes it into a hospital or a care home or a school or a factory or or or... that's when we get problems again.

@latticechaos

You know that 75% of people now testing positive have no symptoms at all

People say this like it's a good thing - this is the whole fricking problem and why unlike SARS and MERS it is spreading so efficiently.

This is exactly why quarantine is vital.

Because once an asymptomatic person takes it into a hospital or a care home or a school or a factory or or or... that's when we get problems again.

Well by that line of thinking the entire country should be in quarantine forever then!?

How can you not think its a good thing that in 75% of positive cases no one even knows they've got it!? Surely it just proves that its not as dangerous as everyone has made out, and insane draconian laws that prevent individuals from stepping outside their house for TWO weeks is a ridiculously OTT response

Well by that line of thinking the entire country should be in quarantine forever then!?

How can you not think its a good thing that in 75% of positive cases no one even knows they've got it!? Surely it just proves that its not as dangerous as everyone has made out, and insane draconian laws that prevent individuals from stepping outside their house for TWO weeks is a ridiculously OTT response

Think about the virus and what the virus does, how it spreads. There's c.50k UK deaths already, plus possible long covid impact. Potentially those asymptomatic carriers taking it everywhere. Think of the fact that only

Well, I was in Morbihan! And in my London borough the rate is now 3 times that. So my family members who stayed here are more of a risk to me than I am to them. It would have made sense to quarantine for high risk départements like Marseilles and Paris rather than a blanket extreme quarantine.

But those who have been through a transport hub in a country which ALSO has rising numbers of asymptomatic carriers seem a concern.
Which does NOT include people who happened to drive across France and get the Eurotunnel home

So yes I worry that asymptomatic carriers are spreading it around.
to other people who will have it so mildly they do not notice etc etc

If covid is of so little concern, I wonder why doctors, scientists and trustworthy politicians (I do not include our own government in this category) don't just come out and say that???

I think the virus is exactly what it is - mild for most, serious for some, a killer to a low percentage. But that is a serious problem for a nation of 70m.

Why all the denial? We don't need hysteria, we don't need denial.

@Ontopofthesunset

Well, I was in Morbihan! And in my London borough the rate is now 3 times that. So my family members who stayed here are more of a risk to me than I am to them. It would have made sense to quarantine for high risk départements like Marseilles and Paris rather than a blanket extreme quarantine.

It is the travelling itself, and common behaviour on holiday, that creates the risk. If you sat inside your flat in the hottest vivid hotspot you'd be at no risk.