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If You Could Choose Any Education Option for Sept

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IDSNeighbour · 14/08/2020 22:54

I'm getting so confused by what parents actually want to happen with schools right now (I'm not a parent, I'm a teacher). I want to know what home opinions my classes are going to be coming in from in Sept - whether they're likely to be nervous or confident, whether they will want to SD or not, etc.

I know parents aren't one hive mind but the 'loudest voice' seems to keep changing its mind. Or I hear different ones, idk.

I'm sure there used to be a board for polls and surveys but, if I wasn't imagining, I can't find it.

So, if you're up for an unscientific straw poll to help me gauge general feeling, can you post A, B, C, D or E in the thread (you can explain if you like, I don't mind!)
A - I want full time schooling as close to the old normal as is allowed
B - I want full time schooling but with safety measures such as social distancing and masks for all who can and are old enough.
C - I want blended learning (half in the classroom and half online)
D - I want to keep my child at home all the time, home school them and not be penalised (ie, I want my place back when I think it's safe)
E - I think schools should remain closed for most children for now.

OP posts:

noblegiraffe · 17/08/2020 19:54

So?

Does it mean that people shouldn’t be concerned about working in a high risk environment with no mitigation?

Israel blamed their second wave on poorly-thought-through school reopening.

SpanielEar · 17/08/2020 19:58

canthisbeoveralready · 17/08/2020 19:59

Uhoh2020 · 17/08/2020 20:06

@noblegiraffe in the nicest possible way dont bloody do it then. No one needs to do anything they aren't comfortable with.
Theres 2 options for both students and pupils
A. Go back to school with whats in place
B. Dont go back to school, deregister resign, go off sick , ask for a sabbatical, whatever

Unfortunately there is no option C being offered and no amount of crying on mumsnet about it is going to change that however unfair it is

noblegiraffe · 17/08/2020 20:09

in the nicest possible way

Patronising.

You’re just minimising safety concerns and telling teachers to resign rather than ask for the COVID-secure working practices applied to other workplaces to apply to them.

Mistressiggi · 17/08/2020 20:10

No, we'll find increased mitigations come in fast enough once more schools start closing.

WhenSheWasBad · 17/08/2020 20:14

@noblegiraffe in the nicest possible way dont bloody do it then. No one needs to do anything they aren't comfortable with

Noble is a teacher (as am I secondary).

I’m going back in Sept , I have a job to do. I just wish for better distancing measures and staff and pupils in masks (secondary).

I genuinely hope I’m wrong about the 2nd wave (people meeting outdoors is much lower risk than indoor meeting). If I’m wrong feel free to find me and say I told you so.

Uhoh2020 · 17/08/2020 20:16

@noblegiraffe

in the nicest possible way

Patronising.

You’re just minimising safety concerns and telling teachers to resign rather than ask for the COVID-secure working practices applied to other workplaces to apply to them.

Just being realistic not minimising.

Anyone who isn't happy in their job teacher or not, for any reason shouldn't stay in it.

noblegiraffe · 17/08/2020 20:19

Just being realistic not minimising.

Comparing being in a poorly-ventilated classroom with hundreds of different kids to an outdoor protest isn’t being at all helpful, is it?

Mistressiggi · 17/08/2020 20:21

Anyone who isn't happy in their job teacher or not, for any reason shouldn't stay in it
🤣You're a hoot.

latticechaos · 17/08/2020 20:22

Anyone who isn't happy in their job teacher or not, for any reason shouldn't stay in it.

If everyone had taken this approach kids of 6 and 7 would still be working in factories! Throughout history workers have stood up for their rights, how depressing that the answer now is just leave.

I want my kids taught by people with enough wherewithal to stand up for themselves!

mrshoho · 17/08/2020 20:22

@Uhoh2020 I do hope you won't be one of the people moaning and foot stomping when schools start closing due to teachers off either isolating or suffering illness. You are so insistent on schools starting without being covid secure so I'm sure you must be expecting closures given what we scientifically know about this virus ie. highly infectious that causes either mild, moderate or severe symptoms.

Nellodee · 17/08/2020 20:23

Who are all these people who have a realistic option to just up and quit their jobs? Very nice if you do, but also very unrealistic to think that everyone else does. I thought it was supposed to be only us teachers who didn't live in the real world.

Uhoh2020 · 17/08/2020 20:29

@noblegiraffe FWIW I never thought or commented that BLM VE day beach happenings would cause a second wave. im saying that many on here were shouting that they definitely would it was a certainty it would happen.....and they didn't....people were wrong on their certainties and predictions........can we not agree that they could be wrong .....again?
AND I have never said that the provisions in school were sufficient enough just that there really is only 2 options available to you either go back or don't. I didn't voice an opinion whether it was right or wrong just spelling out the reality of the situation.

ineedaholidaynow · 17/08/2020 20:30

So if people aren’t happy with the health and safety in their workplace they should change their profession rather than trying to improve their working conditions.

CallmeAngelina · 17/08/2020 20:31

@Nellodee

Especially as we can't actually leave until Christmas now, so that's a 15 week term to stagger through first.

Dh wandered in to a Spar shop this afternoon and absent-mindedly forgot to raise his mask to his face. He got almost shrieked at by a member of staff around 5 metres away, from behind their perspex screen.
How many U4T maniacs people are happy to go along with that, but are adamant that, in Lifeafter50's words, masks must be "banned" in schools.

BikeTyson · 17/08/2020 20:34

A for primary, B for secondary. People who aren’t happy to send their children in can do what they like without fine but schools should not be judged on the performance of children who weren’t there, or be expected to set and mark work for them.

RubyMuseday · 17/08/2020 20:36

By the same reasoning? I could say... Anyone who isn’t happy sending their child to school with the social distancing measures recommended by scientists should deregister. But I wouldn’t say that because I think it’s cruel to just tell people to deregister. I have empathy and understand we all have unique situations. I hope things work out ok for you.

And yes scientists do recommend social distancing. Even If you properly read all the ones that say children might not spread it they even say it in those (They all say either words to the effect of “this assumes social distancing and low transmission” or “we can’t be sure because all observations were carried out When schools had distancing.” I see people sharing studies that actually say this than writing and posts to the contrary. It’s barmy.

RubyMuseday · 17/08/2020 20:37

If everyone U4T told to deregister did so, their children’s schools would lose A LOT of funding. They’d be in a pickle then.

Uhoh2020 · 17/08/2020 20:39

[quote mrshoho]@Uhoh2020 I do hope you won't be one of the people moaning and foot stomping when schools start closing due to teachers off either isolating or suffering illness. You are so insistent on schools starting without being covid secure so I'm sure you must be expecting closures given what we scientifically know about this virus ie. highly infectious that causes either mild, moderate or severe symptoms.[/quote]
I'm under no illusion that schools could be intermittent. Do I think there's going to be the huge second wave? No. And by second wave I mean a second wave of deaths not a second wave of people being mildly ill.
Surely opening and having possible intermittent schooling is better than staying closed and having no schools at all. Where do we draw the line if we keep them closed? How long do children have to have a sub standard education for?

Nellodee · 17/08/2020 20:40

There are a bunch of people who seem to think that a diversion of finances from the state education sector to the private will sort out all the world's problems. It's almost as though that was their agenda all the way through.

Nellodee · 17/08/2020 20:41

Uhoh2020 sorry, who are you speaking to? I haven't heard anyone say they want schools to remain closed.

noblegiraffe · 17/08/2020 20:42

Surely opening and having possible intermittent schooling is better than staying closed and having no schools at all.

OR opening schools in a sensible and safer manner and having them stay open (which is what teachers want) would be better than opening and closing.

U4T always start from the position of schools staying closed which is just a straw man.

noblegiraffe · 17/08/2020 20:43

U4T tells

Schools shouldn’t stay closed (well duh!)

Any teacher unhappy with unsafe working practices should resign

Any parent unhappy with unsafe school environments should deregister their child.

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