Coronovirus IS transmitted in schools

[mosquitofeast]

And lots of teachers have died

I am just clarifying this, as I don't know how many times I have read on Mumsnet that this has never happened. I don't know where this misinformation is coming from, but its rubbish

It was transmitted several hundred times in my school (secondary)before lock down. Hundreds of children and dozens of staff were affected. Some have been seriously ill and have been left with long term health problems, such as low lung capacity and loss of hearing.

I am a teacher and I was infected at school. I did not use public transport, or go into any shops or other businesses for the whole of March, and I was living alone. The only time I was in any contact with anyone else was in school

A school near us (also secondary) had to close a week before school closures were announced, as so many teachers were infected.

Thankfully, no staff or student in our school died, although several students have lost parents, and many have lost grandparents. One of my sixthformers has withdrawn her university application as her mum has lost a lung and a leg and now can't run her home and care for her younger children on her own.

However, according to the union, around 200 school staff have dies to date, so we have just been lucky so far.

So please don't repost this fake news that "no one has ever caught covid in a school" - because |I have watched it happen in front of my eyes, and experienced it myself.

www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/us/coronavirus-students.html

Schools in the US, many of which have masks (unlike UK) are finding a lot of them have to close pretty soon after opening.

I expect this will be us in sept.

Social distancing is essential to keeping schools open but is not possible in UK state schools, not without extra money.

Clavinova

The one that most posters are referring to isn't even published yet.

If they dont surely the gov data would be there from march ski trips.
I know they werent testing but they were supposedly tracking the first couple.
Anyway it still blazed off from then so either teachers or students passed it around.
If teenagers dont spread it there will be a peaking of cases around the restart of schools that drops back again to do with say travel in the holidays or days out etc.

Most places seem to test contacts which must help
If kids do spread it then there are 32 people to a room
If they don't it's 2
If they do 50% its 15+2
If it does hang in the air for say 5h that makes a big difference and to say afterschool clubs and lunches etc.
The chance when a child is infected of them being able to be in and remain in the classroom is pretty high
-x% asymptomatic

• even with symptoms so many don't necessarily have the 3
• when they test 25% false neg.

so you are only moving out of the classroom 75% of symptomatic kids and that is after the 2d of presymptomactic spreading. So a mimimum of 2d (unless weekends). A maximum of all 12d of contagiousness.

I think it's likely that as with adults there is a variation from child to child could be ethnicity/size whatever turns on the ace receptors. And whether they are co infected. How ill they get coughing or sneezing

Tomorrow's front cover of the Times pbs.twimg.com/media/EfF-oVxWsAENDzU?format=jpg&name=medium

TorysSuckRevokeArticle50

That is a massive U turn form the times given the shite that they have been passing as quality journalism.

In our school the older pupils (s4 upwards so 15+) have to socially distance

Am I reading this right? (My useless phone makes the Times front page blurry).

Does this info come from the very same report Gav used to insist opening schools is ok because kids don’t spread it?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53731214

The description at the bottom of each paper is there.

But the article does state that the researchers are not happy with how Gav and co have used their study,

Times front cover:

Age 10 and up.

Aye, well, the Times was instrumental in leading a campaign to get Scottish schools back tomorrow full-time, so I hope if they u-turn to accepting this is risky, they will publish a full apology to Scottish parents (the ones not in UsForThem) and pupils.

@SengaStrawberry how is it evrn possible to sd properly in school unless you have massive or excess classrooms or restrict numbers?
The teens round our way are often seen in large gangs with no concept of sd. Can't see it being different in school or on the wsy to school.
I am not bothered sbout my 7 yesr old returning to school as bubbles are small and they don't appear to be super spreaders. Community transmission fsirly low too.
However given the Times article. Bubble sizes 150+ students and teenage selfishness I worry about the return to school. We have a 14 and 16 year old who must return to school yet dh is extremely clinically vulnerable and I am clinically vulnerable.
Dd2 mental health is probably going to suffer returning to school as school is not her safe space but we have to do it or be fined.
I actually think optional online learning would be better for secondary.

No surprise to read the Times report.

Still the loons will howl that their preciouses shouldn't wear masks. More fool the government for listening to a fringe group of crazy people.

Some of us have been working in customer-facing roles throughout this crisis. We did so because my industry I considered essential to the functioning of society (the fact that most of the "customers" during lockdown were certainly not using our services for essential reasons in neither here, nor there). Now we find ourselves dealing with thousands of people who are packing themselves in to go to the bloody beach. No social distancing at all, completely flouting rules on mask wearing etc.

So you will understand it if I am rather unsympathetic to the plight of teachers when I and my colleagues have been putting ourselves at risk for months. Education is essential.

DDraigGoch i presume you have been in your customer facing role with adequate PPE and/or social distancing. This is not the situation in schools so you are not comparing like with like. I am not a teacher by the way.

I'm a teacher and I couldn't care less about corona. I've not read any reports as to whether children transmit it or not because I will be working regardless without worry. And don't tell me I'm not at risk . I am, I take three Immunosuppressants but I don't wish to shield, and haven't.
However what's more ridiculous in my opinion is that children, who are constantly covered in snot and goodness knows what else....don't transmit illness. Of course they do.
Maybe they don't get it as badly, but of course they transmit stuff.

Anyway. On the whole I'm incredibly bored of scaremongering posts

"Now we find ourselves dealing with thousands of people who are packing themselves in to go to the bloody beach. No social distancing at all, completely flouting rules on mask wearing etc.

Lots of people flouted SD rules outside for beaches BLM etc. All that has shown far is it is difficult to catch outdoors (in summer at least).

Greater Manchester and the northwest have produced tangible evidence it spreads easily inside when social distancing isn't possiblee/followed.

And unless all those people at the beach were teachers I don't see how that makes them unworthy to SD or ppe themselves like everyone else.

Does this info come from the very same report Gav used to insist opening schools is ok because kids don’t spread it?

Indeed it does. Gav seems to have been cherry-picking.

@FrippEnos

Clavinova

The one that most posters are referring to isn't even published yet.

Yes I am cross about that actually. You can’t be using an unpublished report to inform policy!

Some of us have been working in customer-facing roles throughout this crisis.

And many teachers have been doing the same too. I haven't due to being vulnerable, but all but 5 members of staff at my school have been in FT for most of the lockdown working directly with key worker (and other) children.

We need to move away from this idea that teachers have been sat doing nothing since March when, for many, is simply not true.

I may not have been in school but I've still worked flat out, full time hours, since March, overseeing our home learning provision. This has included the holidays.

I'm NHS. I'm very sympathetic to teachers. We are all in this together providing public services. We should be supporting each other x

Is it planned to return to F2F teaching in September or blended or remote learning? Is there parental choice?

Are class sizes being restricted or are smaller classes, greater space referred to in terms of safety (rather than academic advantage).

Independent schools have much smaller classes - funnily enough, usually around the number that made a safe 'bubble' last term. No need to restrict classes.

And there is parental choice because they pay, so can talk with their feet.

The very posh school I know about via a friend who teaches there, did all remote learning last term. Children in Singapore etc having to work on their live lessons overnight.

I'm a teacher and I couldn't care less about corona.

Well that's very selfish of you, isn't it Ophelia? Just because you're fine.

What about the kids with health conditions in your class? Or those with parents that are over 50, have underlying health conditions etc?

Just because you're OK with it all, doesn't mean that they should be. I thought teachers had empathy and cared for those that they worked for and with.