Coronovirus IS transmitted in schools

[mosquitofeast]

And lots of teachers have died

I am just clarifying this, as I don't know how many times I have read on Mumsnet that this has never happened. I don't know where this misinformation is coming from, but its rubbish

It was transmitted several hundred times in my school (secondary)before lock down. Hundreds of children and dozens of staff were affected. Some have been seriously ill and have been left with long term health problems, such as low lung capacity and loss of hearing.

I am a teacher and I was infected at school. I did not use public transport, or go into any shops or other businesses for the whole of March, and I was living alone. The only time I was in any contact with anyone else was in school

A school near us (also secondary) had to close a week before school closures were announced, as so many teachers were infected.

Thankfully, no staff or student in our school died, although several students have lost parents, and many have lost grandparents. One of my sixthformers has withdrawn her university application as her mum has lost a lung and a leg and now can't run her home and care for her younger children on her own.

However, according to the union, around 200 school staff have dies to date, so we have just been lucky so far.

So please don't repost this fake news that "no one has ever caught covid in a school" - because |I have watched it happen in front of my eyes, and experienced it myself.

[ChavvySexPond]

[quote Oaktree55]@askmehowiknow. I’m intrigued to hear what you think the agenda of those who follow basic maths, science and preempt the likely situation the majority of U.K. schools will be in come winter is? Personally I think they are using their common sense to try and find a better sustainable way forward.! What could their secret agenda be that you are so confidently aware of?[/quote]
I was wondering this.

My posts about the government's plan for English schools reopening needing a rethink come from a basic understanding of maths and science and how what I might want is irrelevant to the facts.

Combined with a sincere wish not to increase the infection level, because that leads to increases in hospitalisations, deaths and long term health issues.

And a desire to do what's best for our country and the people in it as well as our own family.

That's my agenda.

[IncidentsandAccidents]

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras I never said that I agreed with the government's response, I disagree with them in many respects and this is one area where I think they have it wrong.

[Oaktree55]

I honestly give up 🤷🏽‍♀️. The majority don’t want to face the truth, rather sit with their blinkers on waiting for, “the September return to normality and the Christmas Boris has promised” 🤯.

I have friends in Hong Kong who think the U.K. has gone crazy with our strategy. British exceptionalism at its finest. Some just can’t cope with reality and shoot those down who can.

[ChavvySexPond]

@Oaktree55

I honestly give up 🤷🏽‍♀️. The majority don’t want to face the truth, rather sit with their blinkers on waiting for, “the September return to normality and the Christmas Boris has promised” 🤯.

I have friends in Hong Kong who think the U.K. has gone crazy with our strategy. British exceptionalism at its finest. Some just can’t cope with reality and shoot those down who can.

Same-same my friend.

Some people always have to learn the hard way.

[FrippEnos]

@MarshaBradyo

I appreciate non-scaremongering posts more than the opposite. Especially from teachers.

There’s been one supposed teacher talking up extremes which doesn’t do anyone any favours.

Its not scaremongering to state that the current proposals are not fit for purpose.

Its not scaremongering to state that once its in the school its going to go to shit.

Its not scaremongering to call out and correct the misinformation that is currently being pushed.

Its not scaremongering to state that we should not only have a workable plan A but a real plan B that defines that standards of education that should be supplied when/if it all goes to shit.

[MarshaBradyo]

FrippEnos I was thinking about a poster talking about extreme scenes in school in March - ‘terrifying and traumatic’ I think they said. Luckily they seem to have stopped posting after many asked questions.

Obviously others think it’s not fit for purpose and can say so. Which is fine.

But I’m also glad Ophelia posts too, rather than poster in first paragraph.

[Clavinova]

Government has said "all back in September, no exceptions, no protection".

There are exceptions in the guidance;

"some pupils no longer required to shield but who generally remain under the care of a specialist health professional may need to discuss their care with their health professional before returning to school (usually at their next planned clinical appointment)."

"Where a pupil is unable to attend school because they are complying with clinical and/or public health advice, we expect schools to be able to immediately offer them access to remote education. Schools should monitor engagement with this activity (as set out in the section below)."

"Where children are not able to attend school as parents are following clinical and/or public health advice, absence will not be penalised."

[FrippEnos]

MarshaBradyo

There seems to be some posters taking offense at posters putting their feelings on a page, these same posters are the ones stating that parents should de-reg and teachers should resign.

These are also not helpful posts.

Neither are the posts berating teachers for saying that the bubbles in secondary are worthless etc.

If these posters (on both sides) actually stopped and thought about what the other side is saying then maybe there would be some sort of consensus.

[MarshaBradyo]

There are a few phrases that make me post (School not childcare one etc) and I’m sure it’s the same for the other side.

In the spirit of consensus I do think that everyone posting for fit for purpose schooling should email their MP. I did and took less time than this post. (Asking for PPE in schools).

[askmehowiknow]

[quote Oaktree55]@askmehowiknow. I’m intrigued to hear what you think the agenda of those who follow basic maths, science and preempt the likely situation the majority of U.K. schools will be in come winter is? Personally I think they are using their common sense to try and find a better sustainable way forward.! What could their secret agenda be that you are so confidently aware of?[/quote]
Ok...

Teachers have described lockdown as being like retirement. Both on here and on the radio.

Teachers talk about 'free child care' errrr

Teachers have frequently posted about parents not wanting to look after their kids/being bad parents

Teachers have had the largest pay rise of public sector workers. Despite schools being closed for most kids since March. Their union described this pay rise as a kick in the teeth!

Teachers have said it's different if you're NHS/other public sector workers because it's 'expected' to risk your life!!

Teachers have posted that looking after the welfare of vulnerable children is other sectors responsibility. Nice

Teachers have posted about children wearing masks all day. Despite them themselves not doing this. And ignoring the fact it impairs communication and learning. Plus there is no evidence

Teachers seem to think they should be special and protected at all costs from contracting a virus that we all have caught/may catch

Teachers posting have no idea how lucky they are with their secure jobs and pensions. Vs highest unemployment rates on record during lockdown...

As I say it is only a very few teachers who hold these views. The vast majority are great.

[FrippEnos]

askmehowiknow

As I say it is only a very few teachers who hold these views. The vast majority are great.

I could your post apart but CBA.

So I am just going to post,

If its only a few teachers why post such generalised rubbish?

[VashtaNerada]

I don’t know why people are so surprised that schools have had it. It was scary how many teachers and children suddenly got ill one after the other at my school. A couple of teachers tested positive (I’m not quite sure if they went private or managed to get in just before they stopped testing) but the rest of us who couldn’t be tested had almost identical symptoms. Children seemed less severely affected but certainly had the cough and fatigue (DD was one of them). I’m happy to go back but I’m sure much of that confidence comes from already having had it. I totally understand why others are nervous.

[VashtaNerada]

@askmehowiknow If you accept the majority of teachers don’t think that way why haven’t you said:

Most teachers said they continued to work during lockdown.
Most teachers don’t think they are special.
Most teachers are completely understanding about the difficult position parents have found themselves in.
Most teachers believe the welfare of vulnerable children is everyone’s responsibility, and that teachers play a key role in their safety.

Etc etc...

[askmehowiknow]

[quote VashtaNerada]@askmehowiknow If you accept the majority of teachers don’t think that way why haven’t you said:

Most teachers said they continued to work during lockdown.
Most teachers don’t think they are special.
Most teachers are completely understanding about the difficult position parents have found themselves in.
Most teachers believe the welfare of vulnerable children is everyone’s responsibility, and that teachers play a key role in their safety.

Etc etc...[/quote]
Just because I was specifically asked what the agenda of those few with 'strong' opinions was

[mrshoho]

@askmehowiknow
Teachers have had the largest pay rise of public sector workers. Despite schools being closed for most kids since March. Their union described this pay rise as a kick in the teeth!

This old chestnut again. I know it's been addressed numerous times but it needs repeating everytime. There is no extra money for this pay rise. It has to come from the existing school budgets which are already stretched so how many teachers do you expect will receive this full increase?

Your post is passive aggressive to say the least. You vilify teachers and then add a quip on the end that most teachers are great. What a strange post I wonder what your agenda is?

[mrshoho]

and I forgot to also say again schools were open and teachers carried on working either in school or at home.

[LivingoffCoffee]

One of my teacher friends posted this on FB...I do totally get that parents are worried about the effect of all this on their children, but I wish there was more compassion and understanding there's an impact on teachers/school staff too

[mrshoho]

And @askmehowiknow I forgot to add teachers carried on working either at home or in school all through lockdown including the Easter holidays. Schools also remained open in some form.

[OverTheRainbow88]

@LivingoffCoffee

I was with your friend 100% until she made awful judgements about parents wanting their kids in school because their parents are fed up of looking after them... some parents you know want their children to get an education. So yes I agreed with her until she lost all credibility in my view.

[lazylinguist]

As I say it is only a very few teachers who hold these views. The vast majority are great.

Well then, what's the point of posting this? There are presumably bound to be a few people in every single profession/job in the world who hold views that you don't agree with or do their jobs badly 'A few bus drivers hate their passengers'. 'A few nurses don't care about their patients', 'A few delivery drivers don't bother leaving a card'. Yep, by the law of averages that's bound to be true.

[askmehowiknow]

@LivingoffCoffee

One of my teacher friends posted this on FB...I do totally get that parents are worried about the effect of all this on their children, but I wish there was more compassion and understanding there's an impact on teachers/school staff too

I have to say that actually I think teachers SHOULD be doing all these things. Everyone who works with children or vulnerable adults should be trained in looking for signs of sexual abuse etc.

Would anyone really argue with this?!

[askmehowiknow]

@lazylinguist

As I say it is only a very few teachers who hold these views. The vast majority are great.

Well then, what's the point of posting this? There are presumably bound to be a few people in every single profession/job in the world who hold views that you don't agree with or do their jobs badly 'A few bus drivers hate their passengers'. 'A few nurses don't care about their patients', 'A few delivery drivers don't bother leaving a card'. Yep, by the law of averages that's bound to be true.

Read the question that I answered directly

[BelleSausage]

@askmehowiknow

Wow! You really hate teachers. Did one kick your dog or something?

Your post was a looooong set of massive cliches and over reactions.

Repeat after me: everyone should get PPE. Everyone should get PPE.

Everyone means everyone- bus driver, shop assistants, nurses, nursery workers, cab drivers, train passengers, airline pilots, factory workers, teachers. I could list all professions but it would take ages.

Could you tell me why teachers shouldn’t be on that list. Other than you hate them. I’ll wait.

[LivingoffCoffee]

Should've said she's in the US, so is a bit different environment.

[BelleSausage]

@askmehowiknow

It is a statutory requirement for all teaching staff to be trained bi-annually in all the signs of abuse and the know how and who to report it to. Most teachers have dealt with the kinds of abuse cases that would make your hair stand in end.

Just goes to show what you actually know about the realities of teaching.