Coronovirus IS transmitted in schools

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And lots of teachers have died

I am just clarifying this, as I don't know how many times I have read on Mumsnet that this has never happened. I don't know where this misinformation is coming from, but its rubbish

It was transmitted several hundred times in my school (secondary)before lock down. Hundreds of children and dozens of staff were affected. Some have been seriously ill and have been left with long term health problems, such as low lung capacity and loss of hearing.

I am a teacher and I was infected at school. I did not use public transport, or go into any shops or other businesses for the whole of March, and I was living alone. The only time I was in any contact with anyone else was in school

A school near us (also secondary) had to close a week before school closures were announced, as so many teachers were infected.

Thankfully, no staff or student in our school died, although several students have lost parents, and many have lost grandparents. One of my sixthformers has withdrawn her university application as her mum has lost a lung and a leg and now can't run her home and care for her younger children on her own.

However, according to the union, around 200 school staff have dies to date, so we have just been lucky so far.

So please don't repost this fake news that "no one has ever caught covid in a school" - because |I have watched it happen in front of my eyes, and experienced it myself.

Can we not Centre the children’s education in this and then work outwards as to how to minimise the risk for EVERYONE whilst providing a high standard of education for all.

That's what teachers have been saying all along. PPE and funding is required. The DfE are giving/allowing neither.

Threads turn like this when people turn up with BS ideas and don't like hearing why they won't work.

I want nothing more than to teach actual children in a classroom from September. I also would like to be safe.

I strongly feel teachers should have masks and screens and other safety measures.
I strongly feel teachers should be safe at work.
I strongly feel it’s ridiculous to suggest Covid cannot be spread in a school.
All that said, I think there’s a teeny minority of teachers on MN who are very, very anxious and are projecting this. I understand why but it’s affecting their ability to think logically and it’s deflecting away from the real concerns about school safety.

I’d love to see any evidence of children having complications as described by the OP at the number she has stated before. I asked once, never got a reply.

KittyMcKitty

Ignoring the hyperbole.

Can we not Centre the children’s education in this and then work outwards as to how to minimise the risk for EVERYONE whilst providing a high standard of education for all.

That is what teachers are trying to do.

Being out of school has caused my 17 year old to become very withdrawn and give up on life in many ways - they need to be back in school.

Sixth form? Because if its like the colleges around here they may not be going back in till January and those that are will be making the students wear masks.

And if sixth form how do you think he will react when it all shuts down again because what we are doing is not sustainable?

@Haenow

I strongly feel teachers should have masks and screens and other safety measures. I strongly feel teachers should be safe at work. I strongly feel it’s ridiculous to suggest Covid cannot be spread in a school. All that said, I think there’s a teeny minority of teachers on MN who are very, very anxious and are projecting this. I understand why but it’s affecting their ability to think logically and it’s deflecting away from the real concerns about school safety.

I’d love to see any evidence of children having complications as described by the OP at the number she has stated before. I asked once, never got a reply.

I agree.

This is interesting reading

rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/07/24/balancing-the-risk-of-pupils-returning-to-schools.html

I would probably ignore the OP's posts and concentrate on the concerns the majority of the school professionals have @Haenow

CKBJ
Last two weeks of July a report from America states 97000 children were infected with Covid.This correlates with when more children were returning to school.

Did the new school year start mid July in the US?

The new school year in the US is starting now for many

www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/us/coronavirus-students.html

@Clavinova no this wasn’t the start of the new school year this was students returning to school BEFORE the summer break. Article on BBC news feed

FrippEnos no not a 6th Form College a school and they have told they are going back in September.

@FrippEnos I don’t feel I was using hyperbole- people saying 30 students were sitting facing them were certainly however.

I don’t see how any of this “discussion” centres children. It’s all very well saying we need more investment in education/ smaller classes / more teachers and yes we do need all those things but they will not happen for the students who are entering years 11 & 13 in September- do we just decide we don’t care about them or do we provide them with the education they deserve?

I don’t quite know why you are asking me how I feel my son will be if he doesn’t go back to school until January. He is not at a 6th form college and even if he was the only one for miles around has said it is going back in September. Anyway I feel it would cause him enormous damage to his mental health- the last 5 months have been horrendous for him and I would hope someone will prioritise him and others like him.

Just seen a video clip of children starting back in Berlin and they all seemed to be wearing masks, and the older children at separate desks, although it did say that schools in different areas may be doing things differently

^sitting facing them infecting them.

KittyMcKitty

Why have you put discussion in quotes? and your hyperbole is the "bitching" and "shouting"

As for how this discussion centres children.What do you think will happen when teachers get sick?

It is in the interests of children to make sure that those giving them the education stay fit and well.

@Hercwasonaroll I agree. Although dd2 school has done just that. They normally take option subjects early and pick up another subject jn year 11. Not happening this year but not a problem as its an extra subject other schools don't do.

I put discussion in quotes because I don’t believe it is a discussion.

I feel there is a lot of bitching and shouting- if you don’t then fine.

No the thread centres teachers. The thread is about how teachers feel about returning to school. Of course it’s absolutely right that teachers should feel safe at work but let’s not pretend this thread is about students. There has been scant concern shown for students with the only suggestion (that of the OP) being that students in years 7-12 be taught 40% of the time and year 13 not at all.

So tell me what your suggestion is to educate those in years 11 and 13 in September?

Isn't the 97,000 children having COVID in the States show that they can have COVID where it has been argued for ages that they don't, and if schools weren't open then, what will happen when schools do open?

KittyMcKitty

So tell me what your suggestion is to educate those in years 11 and 13 in September?

I would have thought that it is obvious that all on the thread would like them taught in schools.

But that won't happen if the schools are shut due to teacher illness.

What do you think should happen to year 11 and 13 if the schools cannot open due to staff being ill.

@FrippEnos but you’ve just dodged my question- you clearly don’t think that opening schools is a good idea so how would you propose to educate year 11 & 13?

@FrippEnos isn't saying not to open schools, she just wants more measures putting in place like other workplaces have, and also a plan B if schools have to close when too many teachers are ill. The Government have not provided a plan B and schools don't have the funding to provide a plan B

Of course I'm concerned about the students learning. This thread isn't about that though. It's not intended to be about that. It's intended to be about how unsafe teaching will be compared to most other jobs.

KittyMcKitty
@FrippEnos but you’ve just dodged my question-

I didn't but you are clearly so ignorant that you would put words in my mouth

you clearly don’t think that opening schools is a good idea so how would you propose to educate year 11 & 13?

I said in schools.

Are you going to answer my question or are you going to dodge it?

Ignorant - nice (see my earlier point re bitching). Actually you didn’t answer my question- you clearly don’t feel having all students back is feasible so my question was what do you feel is feasible?

In answer to your question if schools don’t feel they can open safely to all then years 7, 11 & 13 should be in full time with 8-10 & 12 taught on a rota with blended learning some in class and some at home taught simultaneously.

The amount of fake news that has been spoon fed to the media in recent days ahead of schools opening is shocking.