Coronovirus IS transmitted in schools

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And lots of teachers have died

I am just clarifying this, as I don't know how many times I have read on Mumsnet that this has never happened. I don't know where this misinformation is coming from, but its rubbish

It was transmitted several hundred times in my school (secondary)before lock down. Hundreds of children and dozens of staff were affected. Some have been seriously ill and have been left with long term health problems, such as low lung capacity and loss of hearing.

I am a teacher and I was infected at school. I did not use public transport, or go into any shops or other businesses for the whole of March, and I was living alone. The only time I was in any contact with anyone else was in school

A school near us (also secondary) had to close a week before school closures were announced, as so many teachers were infected.

Thankfully, no staff or student in our school died, although several students have lost parents, and many have lost grandparents. One of my sixthformers has withdrawn her university application as her mum has lost a lung and a leg and now can't run her home and care for her younger children on her own.

However, according to the union, around 200 school staff have dies to date, so we have just been lucky so far.

So please don't repost this fake news that "no one has ever caught covid in a school" - because |I have watched it happen in front of my eyes, and experienced it myself.

@TrindleGin

Probably will get back lash from this but here goes .... shop workers worked all the way through this and never complained /my partner a key worker also I could go on .. if you don't want to send your kids to school de register them and home school if you don't want to go in a teach resign !!! This virus is going no where and

Yes, shopworkers have been fantastic throughout, but the two are not comparable. For example, shoppers only spend a few minutes in the shop, they are not there for hours and hours in a confined space.

Does Mumsnet hate teachers or something?

@YouSetTheTone fantastic post !!! Well said

@sonicbook

So *@Bananabread8* is that appropriate PPE for a covid ward or is it not enough?

If it is appropriate then you are being afforded what teachers are not - basic safety precautions. I assume your patients wear masks and there is strict infection control enforced by trained medical professionals.

If it is not then suggest that you go to your union.

It's not about inhabiting someone else's pint of view it's about basic facts.

No. Because your term of PPE is slightly different from mine but I think I know what teachers mean (tell me if I’m wrong). When you would like a mask are you wanting just a basic blue one? Like you can buy in Poundland? That is what I wear. (No seal round the edge of the mask). There other types of medical masks but you need to be trained... not that’s an issue (money is) there are more expensive. We really should have a full arms length overall apron too (we don’t). Different rules depending on the sort of ward you work on.

Unions can’t help. Same as teachers they don’t have the final say. I could quit but I’d be quite skint although some older staff have quit.

Teachers hold a lot of power if they down tools and stand their ground what will Borris do? Someone raised a point about there’s no info on what happens to the rest of the school if staff or children test positive? It’s true surely isn’t your head of the school expected to have a in place ready for September?

I think teachers definitely need masks/shields, and the pupils should also be masked up.

However, I am dubious about hundreds of teachers having died - in the UK? Schools were closed in March. I agree it's not so much deaths but after-effects that is the problem, but still I am highly sceptical of some people's claims to have known so many people struck down. There have been - what 50,000 deaths in UK? - and every one seems to be known by a MNetter...

There is another issue with the insistence that children cannot spread Covid-19 at all which is that parents who subscribe to this magical thinking are less likely to have their child tested and more likely to continue to send them in to school when displaying symptoms as they can't possibly have coronavirus it must just be a cold as, you know, "kids can't get corona".

(Just like despite noroviris doing the rounds it must just have been something they ate, so obviously they should be in school after vomiting that morning)

Don't hate teachers but so many people have worked !!!!! And have to work ... you only hear moaning of teachers... resign if you don't want to do it

Now we know much much more and are interacting generally speaking much less.

Are we? Things seem pretty much back to normal round here. How will we be interacting much less in schools?

Cases have dropped - Have they though?

fwwaftp that is clearly impossible to do as robust testing was not in place prior to lockdown. However it is well established that in March, any respiratory-like infection was very likely to be COVID.

Sorry not all teachers moaning a lot just want to go back and get on with it

There is no need for teachers to do that. In my other occasional role as a Brownie leader, we don't use PPE at all (unless tending to an injured child) we stay 2m apart.

How many times does it need to be said before people actually listen? You cannot stay 2m apart in an average secondary school. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

There are some very thick people around on this thread or, more likely, trolls and goady fuckers.

I feel strongly that schools should go back. I am a key worker (healthcare) and have worked throughout. Safety data in uk schools cannot be well developed as schools have not been functioning normally since widespread testing has been possible. I CANNOT understand why all teachers are not being offered clear face shields and all secondary pupils being asked to wear face coverings.
To me that seems like sensible risk mitigation that could help prevent future more costly interventions (both in health and financial terms).

I know British exceptionalism is practically the state religion but seriously, why would it not spread in schools? Because it's not convenient?

Yes! This! I genuinely can’t understand why anyone could actually believe it won’t spread in schools... of course it will! No PPE, no or poor social distancing, overcrowded and poorly ventilated classrooms...

And (from reading multiple threads on here) loads of kids whose parents don’t think they can spread it or that teachers should be protected so will send them in even though someone in the house has symptoms. This already happens when children themselves have stomach bugs etc.

But I can see that yet again the only way the U.K. is going to learn about how bad the government’s decisions are is through living their catastrophic failures.

Don't hate teachers but so many people have worked !!!!! And have to work ... you only hear moaning of teachers... resign if you don't want to do it

Name one other profession that comes in to close proximity with hundreds of members or the public, inside, for an extended period of time without PPE.

That is why other professions are not complaining.

I don’t understand why the government are pretending schools are magical Covid free areas. But here’s a few cases of transmission in schools and day camps

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm

www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-school-viral-photo-temporarily-closes-students-staff-members-test-positive-coronavirus/

www.dw.com/en/germany-closes-two-schools-due-to-fresh-coronavirus-outbreaks/a-54483737

www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.29.2001352

www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/two-bubbles-at-west-norfolk-school-close-as-precautionary-measure-after-member-of-staff-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-9112574/

Schools have to open at some point (This is going to be with us for ages) but the risks need to be mitigated, track and trace should be in place along with PPE for teachers. Saying it’s not happening is an outright lie.

@YouSetTheTone

That's great.

I'm not surprised there have been no issues in nurseries. At this point community infection is so low I wouldn't expect any issues.

When the schools open and people are mixing in numbers not seen for months, a sense of normality and risk taking will increase and the community cases will increase and it will be everyone's problem again.

UNLESS they manage to keep on top of localised outbreaks and lockdowns and what not.

I just don't think the public's spirit is in to though. People don't want locked down, they want to see friends and family and their compliance has run out.

The only way for this infection rate is up.

@TrindleGin

Don't hate teachers but so many people have worked !!!!! And have to work ... you only hear moaning of teachers... resign if you don't want to do it

This. It’s bloody ridiculous. People are out shopping, going to pubs, back at work in offices/factories and the only people that are whining are teachers.

You can’t expect you be paid for hiding at home!

Test and Trace can only work where people answer their phones.
One of my stupid friends refuses to engage and he’s an idiot.

The track part has been refused by everyone I know, I don’t know anyone who says they’ll allow them selves to be tracked on their phone.

Although everyone is tracked via google, and FB and all of the shops nd banks anyway, and their mobile phones.

If we want something to work, we have to cooperate and use it.

This is really getting on my nerves at the moment

@TrindleGin

This virus is going no where !!!!! Get back to work or resign !!! From what I heard of my neighbour yesterday who is a headteacher she had no problem going back and teachers that can't wait to go back

Have you read any of the thread? You can’t have, or you would have worked out that’s not what teachers are saying.

Best not to comment and risk embarrassing yourself if you haven’t actually read the thread or the points people are trying to make.

MaxDash how likely is it that op had so many students grieving parents / gps when the day before schools closed there had been 77 deaths across the country?

@LizzieBlackwell

You could have been doing with a teacher or two in your life.

One more time for you:

Teachers are not expecting to be paid to hide at home. Teacher want BASIC SAFETY PRECAUTIONS in the workplace like all those other occupations you mentioned.

I do remember that one of the first people to be reported as having passed away from Covid-19 was the head teacher of an outstanding primary school.

@TaxTheRatFarms not embarrassed at all there are so many thread on schools saying the same thing I am expressing my opinion don't like it don't read

@MarshaBradyo

MaxDash how likely is it that op had so many students grieving parents / gps when the day before schools closed there had been 77 deaths across the country?

It does not add up. It is scaremongering.

There is evidence from the Far East and other places of this virus spreading in schools, why are our Gov lying to us?

I REALLY would not want to be a teacher right now

The government know full well that infections are going to spike with the schools returning. Hence the drip feeding that pubs and other places are likely to close so that this track and trace will be able to deal with the cases from schools. I agree schools have to open but for goodness sake protect the teachers and pupils in secondary schools with masks and screens. Even if they prevent half of the cases this would help. If you want schools to remain open there has to be more than what is currently in place. This us for them crowd should be campaigning for better protection in schools instead of just shouting schools need to be open.