Sorry depressing thread. Are the Government deliberately drip feeding us on schools? So sick of it.

[purplerain2020]

I think I read somewhere that there is a schools review on 11th August. A while ago we were promised summers schools, not that I believed but they never happened. They promised laptops for those that needed it, only a few get it.

We've been promised that schools will fully open in September. I believe they will open and they won't back down on this. But, I think they are fully aware that within a few weeks, schools will be closing left right and centre and working Mums are going to be scrabbling around looking for someone to look after their children while they work and praying for the goodwill of their employers. The Government will have done what they promised, got everyone back in September, after all, they didn't say how long it would be for did they? Surely they must be getting advise by the Scientists of what is likely to happen with the procedures or lack of them for schools in September?

I keep hearing Mumsnet poster say but how can we work? How can we pay our bills? How will we keep a roof over our heads if the schools don't open full time? I am beginning to realise that it may well be the case that indeed, we won't be able to work and we won't be able to pay our bills and there is nothing we can do about it. It will be down to us to step up and educate our children when schools are shut because the government has been underfunding our schools for years. I work part-time from home, 25 hours a week, even that is looking rocky at the moment. DH's job is ok but I feel like he is hanging on by the skin of his teeth. So sick of our lives being turned upside down.

I'm in my early 40s, I was a child in the 80's and my family was hit hard by the recession. I've got a sick feeling in my stomach that the future is going to repeat itself.

Thanks, mosquito for the sympathy. I think there are many teachers in our position who are looking closely at the deadline for leaving at Christmas.

I just remember how things were in the last week before lockdown and it entirely likely that there will be teachers going off with stress let alone Covid if those conditions continue.

I think, as well, you are confusing "it is not possible to social distance" with "it is not possible to fund any means to make schools safer, so we will just throw up our hands and give in". Didn't you say that you were annoyed that you didn't get PPE in the first place @Bananabread8 ? And there's been 15 billion spent on PPE for healthcare workers so far. It's a bit rich to say that you think teachers should just roll over when there's no money left for us to be safe now.

So who will fund the teachers to teach in the church?

?? What it means is that the church will give their facilities to the school for free and a school will be slightly less crowded. No extra teachers.

Teachers have a possibility of getting COVID-19 they are not looking after kids with POSITIVE test results big big difference.

They will be in September: you can't argue with maths?

[quote Bananabread8]@FrippEnos what can we do though? It’s not great is it. But honestly NO vaccine is going to be produced anytime soon. The testing for COVID-19 is very unreliable at the moment. Maybe we all just need to learn to live with this?[/quote]
Where did I say vaccine?

I am talking about the same choices or implementations that other workers have had.

And your version of learn to live with this is clearly different from mine.

Mine includes all-sorts of compromise from various people where yours is just
'don't like it? Resign'

So don't bring in stuff that I haven't mentioned
and
why don't you think that compromise is a good idea?

@Barbie222 I didn’t say I was annoyed. Facts is nurses were not kicking up a fuss the way teachers are on MN. We are still doing it!!! You know why? Because we need the money that’s bloody why. No union will save us. There’s nothing that can be done and tbh we are tired of fighting and don’t have the mental energy it’s draining. Plus nurses are at far more risk. I’ve had the Covid have you?

@FrippEnos what compromise? Such as what? I’m not against SD by any means. I am going to be realistic. When I sent my child to a hub they were running on short staff I don’t see how bubbles can be created for the whole bloody school. It would be nice and if teachers asked me to sign a petition to support them I would. There’s a difference between being against something and believing in something but it’s not really possible.

Facts is nurses were not kicking up a fuss the way teachers are on MN

Given that we went out and clapped every week and millions were raised for the NHS, part of that might have been because it was accepted that nurses were doing a difficult job in terrible circumstances and it was very much appreciated by the country?

Teachers aren’t really getting that vibe. I don’t see anyone raising millions for schools. Just a load of shit being thrown at us in the media and on MN from posters like you who really don’t understand our job.

@FrippEnos you don’t get to dictate the conversation. A vaccine is crucial and then we won’t need extra measurements in place. I’m entitled to have my opinion just because you don’t like what I’m saying.

@noblegiraffe

I’m not sure that they’re dripfeeding so much as incompetent.

They react after the fact instead of plan in advance. And they’ve had all the major decisions wrong, fudged or delayed so far.

This.

I don’t think they are capable of assessing a situation and acting on facts. They certainly can’t look ahead.

Bananabread8
I didn’t say I was annoyed.

You did

Facts is nurses were not kicking up a fuss the way teachers are on MN.

There was a major campaign in the press about haw poor it was that NHS staff didn't have PPE.

It was why so may people, made NHS staff PPE.
The included schools giving away there PPE tos NHS staff and DT departments making you extra masks and visors.

So don't try and rewrite history to meet your narrative

As the the PPE that I made and donated your welcome.

[quote Bananabread8]@FrippEnos you don’t get to dictate the conversation. A vaccine is crucial and then we won’t need extra measurements in place. I’m entitled to have my opinion just because you don’t like what I’m saying.[/quote]
And you don't get to put words in my mouth.

But again you are trying to change the direction of the discussion.

I'm confused, have teachers not been working? I've been working throughout and my union isn't "kicking up a fuss", it's helped my school write risk assessments and plan for the September opening.
Are you just cross that your children weren't looked after? Aren't you a key worker?

Thankfully there aren't many around with your attitude now. Parents are generally sympathetic to the difficulties of making schools Covid secure.

@noblegiraffe

Facts is nurses were not kicking up a fuss the way teachers are on MN

Given that we went out and clapped every week and millions were raised for the NHS, part of that might have been because it was accepted that nurses were doing a difficult job in terrible circumstances and it was very much appreciated by the country?

Teachers aren’t really getting that vibe. I don’t see anyone raising millions for schools. Just a load of shit being thrown at us in the media and on MN from posters like you who really don’t understand our job.

Clapping didn’t save the nurses or the lack of PPE. Please stop being delusional. For teachers to expect to SD in a school it’s more complex. I also get told to SD how is that possible to look after someone and stand 1 or 2 metres apart.

I think the 15 billion spent on unusable PPE from hastily set up companies with links to government ministers might be the reason why we're too short of cash to make schools safe.

Bananabread8
What compromise? Such as what?

I have already listed PPE etc.

It seems that for some compromise is what other people should do.

@Barbie222

I'm confused, have teachers not been working? I've been working throughout and my union isn't "kicking up a fuss", it's helped my school write risk assessments and plan for the September opening. Are you just cross that your children weren't looked after? Aren't you a key worker?

Thankfully there aren't many around with your attitude now. Parents are generally sympathetic to the difficulties of making schools Covid secure.

No I’m not cross. I sent my child to a hub. What are your suggestions to schools re opening in September because in order to SD you would need more teachers..... so crack right on.

You need part time learning in smaller groups, or you need a lot more money. I think parents are going to need to bend to the former, I'm afraid.

@Barbie222

You need part time learning in smaller groups, or you need a lot more money. I think parents are going to need to bend to the former, I'm afraid.

You have the money part right.

Clapping didn’t save the nurses or the lack of PPE. Please stop being delusional.

I didn’t say it did.

What I did suggest might help is being appreciated instead of demonised (and having it suggested that you are entirely disposable and it matters not if you quit).

And I’m saying you’re part of the problem.

@noblegiraffe no I’m not part of the problem. I will not agree to something that’s unrealistic.

@sunseekin

The problem is that kids are potentially going to be affected for the rest of their long lives - surely that matters as much as ensuring an 85 year old lives another 2 years? It's not a case of who is more important, kids matter equally to the elderly and clinically vulnerable.

Those without underlying health conditions (teachers and students) are at very low risk so they should be in school. Arrangements need to be made for those at higher risk

[quote Bananabread8]@noblegiraffe no I’m not part of the problem. I will not agree to something that’s unrealistic.[/quote]
So compromise unless its what you want and by the other side?

So yes you are the problem.

@Barbie222

I think the 15 billion spent on unusable PPE from hastily set up companies with links to government ministers might be the reason why we're too short of cash to make schools safe.

Yup.

Teachers have a possibility of getting COVID-19 they are not looking after kids with POSITIVE test results big big difference. How can you be so sure that you have not had the COVID already??? Or has anxiety got the better of you and you are assuming that you would automatically end up on ICU?

You are not making any sense. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have looked after children with covid, and I have caught it from them, as have many teachers in my school, not all of whom have recovered. I don't want to get it again. I might not get off so lightly next time

We have also dealt with families who have been critically ill or bereaved.

WE are dealing with children left disabled by covid too

Again, what are you actually complaining about? It is incomprehensible to me