Sorry depressing thread. Are the Government deliberately drip feeding us on schools? So sick of it.

[purplerain2020]

I think I read somewhere that there is a schools review on 11th August. A while ago we were promised summers schools, not that I believed but they never happened. They promised laptops for those that needed it, only a few get it.

We've been promised that schools will fully open in September. I believe they will open and they won't back down on this. But, I think they are fully aware that within a few weeks, schools will be closing left right and centre and working Mums are going to be scrabbling around looking for someone to look after their children while they work and praying for the goodwill of their employers. The Government will have done what they promised, got everyone back in September, after all, they didn't say how long it would be for did they? Surely they must be getting advise by the Scientists of what is likely to happen with the procedures or lack of them for schools in September?

I keep hearing Mumsnet poster say but how can we work? How can we pay our bills? How will we keep a roof over our heads if the schools don't open full time? I am beginning to realise that it may well be the case that indeed, we won't be able to work and we won't be able to pay our bills and there is nothing we can do about it. It will be down to us to step up and educate our children when schools are shut because the government has been underfunding our schools for years. I work part-time from home, 25 hours a week, even that is looking rocky at the moment. DH's job is ok but I feel like he is hanging on by the skin of his teeth. So sick of our lives being turned upside down.

I'm in my early 40s, I was a child in the 80's and my family was hit hard by the recession. I've got a sick feeling in my stomach that the future is going to repeat itself.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I’m resigning. I’m 57. Been teaching 25 years. Outstanding results. Set up an A level which is consistently one of the best performers in the school. Every student in this A level gets into their first choice uni. It’s quite an unusual A level.

All this will disappear when l go. Well it might not, but it will probably be affected.

Good for you, and good luck with what ever you do next. I am considering resigning too

@FlySheMust

It's become increasingly obvious that some parents don't care a fig for the safety of teachers. They are quite happy to sacrifice their health just to get their DCs back in school. Selfish beyond belief.

Most reasonable parents want their DC's teachers to be safe.

@FlySheMust

I absolutely care about teachers and pretty disgusted at parents whose only concern is to get the children back and to hell with the teachers.

Teachers have a right to feel safe in the workplace if we as parents have to make adjustments I'm happy to do that. I personally want to be guided by the teachers not have their views disregarded because I feel that they truly do have the health of the teachers and children at heart.

Most people go into teaching because they genuinely care and want to see children be successful. I'm sick of the media trying to blame teachers for this fiasco. I wish people would realise that one of the reasons we have ended up with this underfunded education system is because we've not listened to the cries for help from the teachers in the past. Honestly, enough. This needs to change.

We will be in a poor state if parents are having to give up their jobs due to having no childcare and are unable to may there mortgage.......

Unfortunately, the government won't see you as any different to the many other people who have been made unemployed and can't pay mortgages due to Covid, and as you are leaving a job behind for another childless person to gratefully do, I imagine they're actually quite glad about it :(

But I’m sad😥I’ll miss my lovely classes so much. I love them all, even the difficult and naughty ones.
They are so funny and cute. I love being in the classroom with them. Every day is fun, they are so entertaining.

So sad that I’m being forced into this

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I’m resigning. I’m 57. Been teaching 25 years. Outstanding results. Set up an A level which is consistently one of the best performers in the school. Every student in this A level gets into their first choice uni. It’s quite an unusual A level.

All this will disappear when l go. Well it might not, but it will probably be affected.

Oh no, that’s so sad to hear. Were you able to go at half term or will you have to wait until Christmas?

DH likely to be made redundant in his sector due to covid. He’ll make a fabulous teacher and is applying to train.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I’m resigning. I’m 57. Been teaching 25 years. Outstanding results. Set up an A level which is consistently one of the best performers in the school. Every student in this A level gets into their first choice uni. It’s quite an unusual A level.

All this will disappear when l go. Well it might not, but it will probably be affected.

I don't blame you. Been teaching 25 years too but a decade younger. I have been talking with DH about getting our wills sorted before we go back.

Not sure how I’m going to do it yet.

But financial guy coming round about pension on Tuesday. I’m 99% certain I’m going. Although as l feel I’m being forced to resign it could be unfair dismissal?!

Lovely school, SMT have done all they can. They are scared too.

@KnobChops

DH likely to be made redundant in his sector due to covid. He’ll make a fabulous teacher and is applying to train.

Good luck to your DH... I hope it's everything he wants it to be.

@KnobChops

DH likely to be made redundant in his sector due to covid. He’ll make a fabulous teacher and is applying to train.

|He will be accepted. We are not in a situation where the country can afford to turn many people away. Let us know how he gets on

@Barbie222

We will be in a poor state if parents are having to give up their jobs due to having no childcare and are unable to may there mortgage.......

Unfortunately, the government won't see you as any different to the many other people who have been made unemployed and can't pay mortgages due to Covid, and as you are leaving a job behind for another childless person to gratefully do, I imagine they're actually quite glad about it :(

Ohhh is that why they ended furlough? Or plan to end. Looks like they will be having to restart it. It doesn’t balance out that they will be more unemployed people than employed. Will no money or lack of funds we can’t support businesses. I don’t understand that logic.

@Bananabread8

Hahahahaha what a load! I think you find most parents are having to go back to work or continue working through out. Kids not being at school is a nightmare.

Your attitude proves my case. Teachers have been working right through as well. You do know schools were open for the children of key workers? And that teachers were there looking after them? And that teachers were setting online work?

Schools will not stay open long under the current conditions. Then "hahahahahahaha" you'll have to look after your own children.

@FlySheMust yes I know teachers have worked throughout I didn’t say they had not worked did I?
Also while you have got the wrong end up the stick I agree it’s tough for the teachers BUT they do have options they either want to get paid or they don’t. I work in a hospital on the front line believe me they were floods of tears when we were told we couldn’t have PPE!!
I had to make the choice of giving up my job or going on benefits.

So don’t dare expect me to feel sorry for the teaching sector MORE than others although I take my hat off to you all. I can’t say you have the shortest end of the stick...

We will be in a poor state if parents are having to give up their jobs due to having no childcare and are unable to may there mortgage

Other people’s jobs and finances should never come before the health of others. Teachers aren’t responsible for the childcare or finances of others, that would be the parents job.

I’ve been very disheartened to see how many feel teachers should risk themselves for others gain.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

We will be in a poor state if parents are having to give up their jobs due to having no childcare and are unable to may there mortgage

Other people’s jobs and finances should never come before the health of others. Teachers aren’t responsible for the childcare or finances of others, that would be the parents job.

I’ve been very disheartened to see how many feel teachers should risk themselves for others gain.

No teachers are not responsible but they should not get paid if that’s the case. If your relatives needed treating but I’m not going to work as I worried for my own family can expect to get paid still? I think not like many other sectors.

[quote Bananabread8]@FlySheMust yes I know teachers have worked throughout I didn’t say they had not worked did I?
Also while you have got the wrong end up the stick I agree it’s tough for the teachers BUT they do have options they either want to get paid or they don’t. I work in a hospital on the front line believe me they were floods of tears when we were told we couldn’t have PPE!!
I had to make the choice of giving up my job or going on benefits.

So don’t dare expect me to feel sorry for the teaching sector MORE than others although I take my hat off to you all. I can’t say you have the shortest end of the stick...[/quote]
I'm glad you gave up your job if you didn't have safety precautions. No one should be put in that position.

Nobody had the shortest stick, it is n't a competition. Its a horrible situation for everyone

No teachers are not responsible but they should not get paid if that’s the case.
If your relatives needed treating but I’m not going to work as I worried for my own family can expect to get paid still? I think not like many other sectors.

Are you saying teachers shouldn't be paid if they resign? Who is saying teachers who resign will be paid?

Are you saying teachers should not be paid if they are working from home? That makes no sense either. If they are working, they get paid.

What are you saying?

I don’t think any teacher wants any parent or family to suffer or struggle or lose jobs or any of that.

What is being said is that without proper planning for the pandemic we are in schools will very likely close again, possibly at short notice or do the Covid Hokey Cokey with classes/teachers/year groups in and out.

What nearly all teachers here are saying is we’d like a way to make it as safe as possible for all our school communities and their families so that we can remain as open as possible, supporting those that need as much as possible and giving students the best education as is possible.

Shouting that we need to suck it up and get back because you need to work isn’t particularly helpful or realistic I don’t think.

If you read the threads there are multiple suggestions for reopening differently and given the time, planning and a bit of money there could have been community involvement in making this work for everybody involved int eh safest way.

It doesn’t balance out that they will be more unemployed people than employed.

But you won't be counted as "unemployed" if you are looking after your children. You have to be available for work to be counted! The situation with parents giving up work "voluntarily" to look after their children helps their data, because there won't be "more people unemployed than employed" officially.

@mosquitofeast I’m sorry I didn’t give up my job. It’s one of them situations where people are quick to judge it’s easier said than done. Apart from MAT leave I’ve worked all the way through out. I cannot just give up my job as simple as that for the foreseeable future it’s not realistic it doesn’t mean I wasn’t worried though. How would I manage finically??

[quote Bananabread8]@FlySheMust yes I know teachers have worked throughout I didn’t say they had not worked did I?
Also while you have got the wrong end up the stick I agree it’s tough for the teachers BUT they do have options they either want to get paid or they don’t. I work in a hospital on the front line believe me they were floods of tears when we were told we couldn’t have PPE!!
I had to make the choice of giving up my job or going on benefits.

So don’t dare expect me to feel sorry for the teaching sector MORE than others although I take my hat off to you all. I can’t say you have the shortest end of the stick...[/quote]
I don't care that you don't feel sorry for teachers any more than other sectors.

But some empathy wouldn't go amiss.

[quote Bananabread8]@mosquitofeast I’m sorry I didn’t give up my job. It’s one of them situations where people are quick to judge it’s easier said than done. Apart from MAT leave I’ve worked all the way through out. I cannot just give up my job as simple as that for the foreseeable future it’s not realistic it doesn’t mean I wasn’t worried though. How would I manage finically??[/quote]
sorry I misread you. Still, you should not have been put in that position

@mosquitofeast

No teachers are not responsible but they should not get paid if that’s the case. If your relatives needed treating but I’m not going to work as I worried for my own family can expect to get paid still? I think not like many other sectors.

Are you saying teachers shouldn't be paid if they resign? Who is saying teachers who resign will be paid?

Are you saying teachers should not be paid if they are working from home? That makes no sense either. If they are working, they get paid.

What are you saying?

I am saying teachers have a choice they have a choice to resign if they don’t want to teach under the current conditions. Yes I’m saying teachers should not be paid if they CHOOSE to resign why should they?

My job is risky. But it’s needs must. I did not say teachers shouldn’t be paid WFM. You have misunderstood totally. We are taking about the kids heading back to school in September. Lots of people WFM and get paid and rightly so.

@FrippEnos I do but I don’t agree with how teachers feel so entitled they have a choice like the many others that are also at risk.

I wish the same could be said for my GP surgery and dentist, @Bananabread8 , I wonder why it's only an inconvenience when teachers work from home and not these folks too.

I am starting to think we've all just become accustomed to a way of life which isn't sustainable any more.