I'm not going to a restaurant again.

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Me and dh just been out for dinner. Cheap and cheerful place, food not brilliant but half price so can't complain. Social distancing in place, took contact details at door, hand sanitiser at entrance and exit, paid contact less. Our table has plenty space around it.

Still felt too dodgy. Didn't enjoy it.
Won't be doing that again for a while.

its air born enough said

So unless you stop breathing what are you going to do. You might as well go out and enjoy yourself

From what people describe there are different things going on in different pubs/restaurants/areas

I don’t recognise the places described that have people crammed in. Or places where you can go on a pub crawl.

Everywhere we have been has been as safe as can be made

@kateandme

its air born enough said.

And? Should we all stay inside forever?

We are sticking with takeaway for now. Shopping deliveries for food and clothes, only a few essential trips to the shops. We do go out though, with the dog to places you can stay well away. Had to go to A&E with 12yr old DD yesterday. We went for a blood test due to 19 day long first period, very very heavy, clots etc, she’s only 5st 5 and almost passing out. It didn’t feel safe at all, and I had to borrow a wheelchair others had used and not been cleaned. But I had no choice. Hope we don’t catch it

Well outside would be better!

At least open the windows for ventilation!

I've booked to go out for a carvery next Wednesday. I don't want to look back if we are locked down again and wish we'd gone out while we could

OP, local restaurants, that are eat in only, are doing some fab takeaways in our area. Is that something you could look into around you? We're having some lovely date nights as a result and supporting local businesses in the process

We had deliveries from our local restaurants when they were closed to dining. Now they are open again we’re back to eating out. Really enjoyed having Sunday brunch again at our local deli.

The mask situation here in Spain has made me not want to go out any more. Mask on when arriving, mask on when leaving, mask on again at any point when getting up from the table. Mask on at all tunes on the street. Hand sanitising on entrance, when going to the bathroom and when leaving. It just isn’t fun to go out any more. It’s my birthday in

September, but I expect this year I won’t bother to go for a meal or anything.

I’ve been to a cafe and sat outside and didn’t give it a second thought tbh.

I was however a bit nervous at a zoo today where nobody was bothering with social distancing ! Finding it hard to find days out that vary from ‘let’s have a nice walk’

Oh expat one of the real joys of Spain is eating - difficult.
Here’s to your birthday in September - I’ll bet you find something to do (after maybe eating beforehand!).

I went to Miller and Carter last week... I kid you not, it was amazing.

We're going to Nandos on Monday. Can't wait.

DH were talking about going to a hotel if we couldn't find a holiday cottage... I wasn't keen on covering up constantly in public areas. Glad we found a holidaycottage, instead.

This again. If you are elderly and/ or have other health conditions especially diabetes and/ or are obese and/ or if you are BAME and male you are right to worry. If you are under 50 and esp if you are under 40 and in good health, the car journey to the restaurant is much more risky than COVID.

The point about social distancing is not because it is a particularly dangerous disease for most people, it’s because it’s highly infectious and risky for the elderly.

Recession and high unemployment are also killers. You would not believe some of the Terrible long term consequences of recession/ lockdown such as cuts to cancer research because charity shops have closed.

You need context and a better understanding of risk

@nostaples

This again. If you are elderly and/ or have other health conditions especially diabetes and/ or are obese and/ or if you are BAME and male you are right to worry. If you are under 50 and esp if you are under 40 and in good health, the car journey to the restaurant is much more risky than COVID.

The point about social distancing is not because it is a particularly dangerous disease for most people, it’s because it’s highly infectious and risky for the elderly.

Recession and high unemployment are also killers. You would not believe some of the Terrible long term consequences of recession/ lockdown such as cuts to cancer research because charity shops have closed.

You need context and a better understanding of risk

Almost 30% of UK adults are obese though...

HeronLanyon Thank you 😊 I’m sure we’ll do something. Just feeling a bit miserable at the moment and can’t wait until this is all over and life can resume again!!

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

Click on the link, scroll down to the 'map' section and click on that. You get a UK map of the all the positive tests for last week. Between 0 and 2 cases is shaded white. Everywhere even close to where I live is white. I can drive for an hour and a half to the coast and it's still white.

The number of cases UK wide is very, very low as a percentage of the population. The cases that there are, are gathered in small clusters, geographically speaking.

There's just not a sufficient number of cases to justify calling eating in a restaurant 'unsafe'.

Look at the map.

@Redolent which is why the Govt is campaigning on that issue. REducing obesity will reduce risk of complications from COVID (and many other conditions). It is something that CAN be controlled.

It’s interesting that so many people are prepared to live with the (health) risks of obesity or driving or cycling (which I never would) or indeed smoking or drinking or eating processed food but not the (highly controlled) risk of COVID.

The initial Govt message had to be hard hitting but many people have misunderstood their personal risk. It was stay at home to save lives but that is unlikely to mean YOUR life for most people.

Remember nearly 50% of deaths have been people in care homes and less than 1% from people aged under 30.

The OP doesn’t indicate she has any risk factors which would suggest she is worrying unduly.

Obvs I’m talking about the risks if you actually get the disease but as others have pointed out that in itself is highly unlikely.

Not enough is made of the fact thatof the positives of asymptomatic cases. Obviously that means there is unwitting spreading but it also means this illness can be so minor you may not even know you are ill at all and can carry on as normal. It’s the images of people on ventilators that we think of but it’s more like that most people especially those not elderly or with other conditions won’t even know they have it.

@expatinspain Sounds awful, I also wouldn't be bothering going out under those circumstances. It's bad enough wearing a mask going into the supermarket!

I hope things have eased by the time your birthday rolls around.

Today 04:00 nostaples

@Redolent which is why the Govt is campaigning on that issue. REducing obesity will reduce risk of complications from COVID (and many other conditions). It is something that CAN be controlled.“

By dishing out half price meal vouchers .....

I’ve been eating out in restaurants although not packed ones.

Been to the gym as well but loads of space! It’s just about using your common sense and judgement, personal choice like though everything.

I’m fully making the most of this eat out scheme though.

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito
I’ve linked to this map before too, it’s so helpful. As with you I’d have to drive miles to get even somewhere that has three reported cases.

My local FB group (a big one as it’s a community group) has spent weeks posting horrific stories about people on ventilators, hysterical tales about people getting too close in shops etc and now there are a wave of ‘oh so sad X shop/ restaurant’ is closing. I feel like pointing out the cause and effect and it’s so sad that those job losses will have real tangible effects on people’s lives, as will the economic fall out that’s going to hit us all when the furlough scheme stops propping up so many businesses. There are real risks facing people now as opposed to what are largely perceived risks from the virus. OBVIOUSLY there are real risks to anyone in a vulnerable category who actually catches it (before anyone jumps down my throat) but if you’re not very elderly, obese, BAME etc your risk of problems from the economic fall out is higher than from the virus. Locally and nationally services will decline as collectively we’re unable to pay for what we’ve been used to. More people will face unemployment and stress of losing their homes etc. Mental health issues will rise, as will crime and disorder. I could go on but the link between poverty and poor educational performance, lower life expectancy etc is well documented. The government are trying very hard to strike a balance between getting people who are healthy back out into the community and protecting those in a more vulnerable category. I do feel it’s so important - if you can - to try and keep local businesses going! If people could go out and realise they’re not going to be struck down by breathing in a restaurant and maybe even enjoy themselves then this has a huge ripple effect.

Upthread pp said ‘no need to judge, some people want to stay in and others are more confident’ - while that’s true and I’m not JUDGING people (god knows it’s been a terrible year and the government message at first was very very strong) but in fact the people who are disproportionately anxious and resisting going out and about safely ARE having an effect on the whole economy so it’s not like that behaviour doesn’t impact on us all. It’s possibly also having an effect on their children, who might struggle to go back to school in September and/ or currently have issues from being kept inside and sheltered from interactions or normal life. It’s sad.

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

Click on the link, scroll down to the 'map' section and click on that. You get a UK map of the all the positive tests for last week. Between 0 and 2 cases is shaded white. Everywhere even close to where I live is white. I can drive for an hour and a half to the coast and it's still white.

The number of cases UK wide is very, very low as a percentage of the population. The cases that there are, are gathered in small clusters, geographically speaking.

There's just not a sufficient number of cases to justify calling eating in a restaurant 'unsafe'.

Look at the map.

THIS.

Some of you need to get a bloody grip. People are losing their fucking livelihoods.

Me and DH have eaten out twice so far in August and it was lovely. I actually don’t mind all the new measures. One place had installed booths so we really were in our own little bubble. It felt safe and like we had a bit of normality back. They took our temps on the way in, you had to sanitise your hands going in, it was table service only - no trips to the bar, and a limited number of customers. As a result the staff we really attentive and appreciative. Going back to that place next week.
The other place was a little less stringent about ‘measures’ but we still thoroughly enjoyed it.
Like many above have said, cases are so low now. Covid wards are almost empty too (according to the Public Health expert on the news last night). Most people are more at risk driving a car or even walking down a street. I’m sick of Covid being made out to be the ONLY risk to our health.