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Things not looking great in Trafford

85 replies

randomer · 03/08/2020 16:18

According to The Guardian. My guess is affluent party goers returning home to middle aged parents?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/03/coronavirus-80-new-cases-trafford-among-white-community

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TraffordCVThread · 04/08/2020 10:56

I live in Trafford. As anecdata, 90% of people in my local area just don't give a fuck and are carrying on as normal. Their reasons are that some of the regs are so fucking contradictory as to be almost pointless eg you can go to the pub but you can't meet your elderly parents who have been shielding and seen no one for three months - and the day you were finally meant to meet them you have been waiting for, you were told via Twitter at 10pm you couldn't do this. Also the Dominic one rule for them one rule for us thing. Also, compliance fatigue for those who have been following lockdown rules/guidance - who think well fuck this, I've done the right thing, everyone else is fucking it up so I'm going to live my life. And the people who haven't complied with rules/guidance up til now anyway, aren't going to start now.

I have sympathy with these viewpoints to be honest, but as someone on the shielding list who sees every single one of my neighbours having everyone round (including the woman at the back of my house who works in a fucking care home and had a massive garden party yesterday Hmm) it makes me think you knobheads just behave yourself Blush

Ironically I haven't been shielding for the last few weeks as I judged the risk to be acceptable and have been looking after parents, but now I am considering not risking it and staying in. Sigh. I am beyond fucked off, tbh. I am so fed up I'm not out of bed yet today.

These are the latest figures for Trafford (via BBC website).

39 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 24 Jul-30 Jul. The average area in England had 5.

92
cases in the latest week 24 Jul-30 Jul
+18
compared with the previous week
1,450
total cases to 3 Aug

PS the regulations are that people are allowed to work in your home so the plumber is allowed. Your shielding elderly parents aren't though. You can see why people think fuck this for a game of soldiers.

TraffordCVThread · 04/08/2020 11:01

And yes there is also the young people think they are invincible thing (again I have sympathy for this when I consider the stuff I got up to at my DCs age).

After months of being restricted, my DC had just started to get back to seeing their friends/boyfriends/girlfriends and having some fun. I really really feel for them as this was taken away overnight with no notice. I think my DC would be in the fuck this for a game of soldiers camp, (especially as 99% of their friends are) but they have stopped seeing them as they are quite fond of me and don't want to be the Patient Zero of our household.

So I can add guilt to my long list of woes. Sigh. (This whole thing makes people so self centred, including myself!)

Flaxmeadow · 04/08/2020 12:41

so@Flaxmeadow, you think the article is written for political capital and things aren't that bad?

Yes I think the article is written for political capital.

No. I think things are bad in all the restricted areas, especially Bradford and Blackburn. I agree with the new restrictions.

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2020 12:54

Turns out restrictions in Trafford are currently not legally enforcable...

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-live-updates-major-incident-18705302

userxx · 04/08/2020 15:45

@TraffordCVThread What do you think should happen ?

randomer · 04/08/2020 16:40

Do you take some peculiar delight in this @RedToothBrush?

I can't understand it really.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2020 16:59

No, I just think that the government is handling this appallingly.

randomer · 04/08/2020 17:03

Oh, without a doubt.

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Jaxhog · 04/08/2020 17:04

How the Gruniad to blame the middle classes! I'm surprised they didn't blame middle-class Tory voters too. I didn't think the antigen test could detect class as well?

Since most people are white, it maybe isn't a surprise. There are idiots of all races.

TraffordCVThread · 04/08/2020 17:27

[quote userxx]@TraffordCVThread What do you think should happen ?[/quote]
Well I don't pretend to have any magic bullets but I would like to see much much more testing given asymptomatic people, more testing especially amongst young people.

I know in high prevalence areas testing kits are being delivered door to door but as pubs are still open I also think it would be a good idea to target areas/venues favoured by young people (fuck that makes me sound old!)

For example my DS would at normal times go to particular venues in the Village (Mcr not Trafford) full of young people and testing kits could be handed out there - no doubt some would be ignored but some would be completed. I also think it's a bit like being breathalysed - not that I'm comparing having CV to drink driving, but a physical test brings it home and may make it more "real".

Much much more publicity - the announcement of extended restrictions late at night the day before is breathtakingly inept and fucking stupid - people had no notice, had made plans especially weekend plans they didn't want to break. If people weren't following the figures it would have come as a complete surprise - much more targeted campaigns at young people especially.

When schools and colleges are reopened I think regular routine testing would be very useful, as workplaces.

I also think that if people are in a position that they have to self isolate for ten days etc, they should receive full wages if possible and have employment protection rights as per maternity leave etc. A minimum wage earner is much more likely to adhere to this - if they are, as at the moment, not going to be paid, they're going to go in - a lot of MNers and definitely the government have no idea of the financial realities of life for some people. Also agency workers need protection - if you know you are going to be let go if you don't turn up to work tomorrow, you're going to go into work. People can say "health is more important/social responsibility" etc - easy to say when you're not in the position of having no money, waiting for Friday payday and then you can pay your rent and get your food shop for your DC - and if you don't turn up for work tomorrow you will have zero in the bank.

IMO, things like this would be a much better use of funds than how they are being used at the moment. Don't start me on the government's current FUBAR policies and strategies (if they can be called that)

boys3 · 04/08/2020 18:14

just in reference to increased levels of testing the PHE surveillance report published last Friday included this table for the watchlist areas, which includes tests undertaken per 100,000 population each day for each of the current watched local authorities, plus the overall England figure. What is striking, including within the GM area, is how much the testing levels varied.

Things not looking great in Trafford
CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 05/08/2020 07:48

[quote userxx]@Walkaround I live in Trafford, 4 weeks ago no one I knew bar hospital/care workers were being tested, now everyone I know seems to have been tested. Can't be down to coincidence can it? Maybe just maybe, the more tests that are carried out the more positive results. Mind blowing eh. [/quote]
They test people randomly for the stats. Its done scientifically, whoda thunk it.

userxx · 05/08/2020 08:13

@CloudsCanLookLikeSheep

New cases of coronavirus jumped in Trafford last week – but health officials insist the numbers remain “very low” and the spike is down to an increase in young people getting tested.
A total of 77 new cases were recorded in the borough for the week between July 18th and 25th, but 57% of those were people aged 25 or below.
Trafford Council described the proportion of young people testing positive as “striking”, but attributed it to an increase in younger people coming forward to get a test.
The council also pointed to the launch of a mobile testing unit at University Academy 92 this week, making it easier for local people to reach the site.

userxx · 05/08/2020 08:15

It doesn't look very scientific to me. More testing more positive results 🤷‍♂️.

Walkaround · 05/08/2020 08:32

@userxx - so is The Guardian article lying when it states 3% of the tests in the area are coming back positive whereas the norm is around 1%? What percentage of tests are coming back positive in Trafford specifically? Because I would personally be extremely concerned if more people in Trafford were getting tests and a higher percentage of these tests were positive than in areas not in local lockdown, as that would indicate a very clear problem to me! More tests but no more of a problem than anywhere else should most definitely not result in a higher percentage of the tests taken coming back positive!

Walkaround · 05/08/2020 08:34

Are no young people coming forward for tests anywhere else in the country?!

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine · 05/08/2020 08:39

I agree,
people need assurances that if they dont go to work due to suspect covid Someone will pay them,
rather than what happens currently to plenty of people in low paid jobs.
in fact my ds said initially nobody better get ill as i only get ssp, yet he is lucky that he gets something and wont lose his job

BradleyCooperwillbemine · 05/08/2020 08:52

My mother, who lives in Trafford, has just had her hairdresser resume her weekly visits. Am I correct in thinking this now needs to stop? The MEN had two contradictory reports, so I'm not 100% certain.

commentatorz · 05/08/2020 09:15

I find it mind blowing that wikipedia cites the Guardian as a reputable source of facts but not the Daily Mail.

Not really, because it's clear Wikipedia itself is administered by centre left "Liberal" people.

GabriellaMontez · 05/08/2020 09:27

@BradleyCooperwillbemine
Hairdressers can continue to go to work. As can anyone else who works in other people's homes. Eg cleaners, nannies

They should have carried out their own risk assessment.

It's all on the Gov.uk website. No need to rely on local press

BradleyCooperwillbemine · 05/08/2020 10:27

Thanks Gabriella. I looked on the Gov.uk website, and to me, it seemed to be saying no-one visiting the home unless you were in their bubble. Will have another look.

randomer · 05/08/2020 14:48

I mentioned to somebody ( in her 50's) today that I wasn't sure if I shoul dbe giving a friend a lift in my car. She laughed at meand belittled me , saying I was making a fuss about nothing.

This is in Trafford btw.

Im so sick of this finger pointing.....BAME people, young people blah blah. People of all typed are selfish sometimes.

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GabriellaMontez · 05/08/2020 15:32

I'm so sick of this finger pointing

That's what I thought when I read the OP, finger pointing at "affluent party goers".

randomer · 05/08/2020 15:38

Oh my word, aren't you the clever one. Well done, do you feel good now?

I repeated what I heard and read. That was wrong of me. Perhaps I was distressed and not in a good place.All the more reason to avoid this witches cauldron.

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userxx · 05/08/2020 15:53

not in a good place

Well if you're in Trafford you're clearly not :)