Anyone get the Sunday telegraph. I would like to know about leaked "enhanced shielding"

[2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney]

There is an article which starts on the front page and continues on page 4 . Would love it if someone could cut and paste or photo page 4 continue of the article on here.
I can't access without actually paying up and having to watch the pennies.

There'll be millions of vulnerable workers/carers. If they're "locked up" just who is going to do the work they do? What about the economic effect of millions of vulnerable who aren't out spending their money?

The proposals will be a disaster, similar to another temporary lockdown.

What about all the "vulnerable" doctor, nurses and teachers who won't be able to work? Those with diabetes, or pregnant, or with other underlying health issues, such as obesity?

Let's hope they think it through properly and realise it's a non starter.

the over 50's who care for their parents over 70s are going to struggle.

@CrowdedHouseinQuarantine

the over 50's who care for their parents over 70s are going to struggle.

Like they did during lockdown? Somehow we managed to survive that, what’s different about this other than it not affecting the entire population?

Just reaffirms for me how appalling the media have behaved through all this. You can almost sense them salivating at every fear/scare story they can rush to get published. It’s like all their Christmases have come at once.

Loads of people are medically vulnerable. I am, DH is, and we are in our 50s. But we still need to go to work.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read the small print of this!

I think a lot of people here are over- reacting and also misunderstanding.

It is NOT a blanket lockdown for anyone 50-70 and it is not even definite it would happen.

It is an option that was discussed and has been leaked to the press.

1 The previous guidance for shielding was guidance. It was not legally enforceable. It was not the same as the rules where there was a fine for breaking the rules and even then they were not 'laws'.

2 The point of this possible new guidance in event of another spike, is that each person between 50-70 would do a risk assessment (and presumably online not through a GP!). So anyone overweight/ obese, or with heart problems, or taking certain drugs etc etc etc, would be asked to manage their risk by avoiding certain situations.

3 None of this could be enforced and no one would be taken to court if they broke the guidance'- it's just not practical or possible.

It comes down to common sense, to manage your own life according to your risks. Sadly a lot of people do not have any.

My mum is in her 90s, very fit and with no health issues that make her vulnerable. She could go out and do all sorts, but she's sensible and isn't and neither has she had friends visit her in her home because they are mixing with other people and possible carriers.

i know we in the over 50s group managed supporting our parents, over 70, but longterm? talked about strained relationships

Quite! jinglinghellsbells They are looking at options people. There is nothing in the article to say it will happen.

It is something that happens for each / most government decisions - It is the Greenbook Gateway appraisal process. It would be much more worrying if the options were not looked at.

To be fair they're not asking for all over 50s to stay at home under the proposed strategy, they're giving a personal risk rating based on medical conditions for over 50s. Plenty of over 50s will be low risk.

bloody leaks,
people will misread, misunderstand,
talk about how to ruin someone's weekend!

I imagine I will be low risk, even though I am slightly older than DH, he unfortunately will be slightly higher risk so it is more likely to affect him.

@JinglingHellsBells Please don't ruin a good thread with common sense and facts. Just let the hysteria and scaremongering run rampant - it keeps the mob happy

Well if an app's involved it won't be anytime soon

There's an article about it in the Mail online, which is not behind a paywall. Am assuming it's about trying to avoid the nuclear option of shutting schools and reimposing a total lockdown by assessing over 50s on their personal level of risk.

Which might have been a more sensible idea in the first place.

A video was shared on mn with these american doctors talking about how quarantine should have been for the poorly, instead of this total lock down but once lock down started the only way out was gradual.

so perhaps this is on the back of that.
however as said, it is just ideas. might not happen.

@2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney

My only experience of shopping in vulnerable hour was the first weekend of lockdown before I was shielding. It was a nightmare. Tesco's told me that it wasn't enforceable, so they couldn't prevent all the non vulnerable coming in. I shopped as quickly as possible but it was only after my complaints to a manager they set up some tills for us at one end . The other tills were crowded that is how I know most shopping weren't Vulnerable. If it wasn't enforceable then not shpure how it could be made enforceable now without issuing some kind of ID, but even then like blue badges , I would expect abuse.

But vulnerable hair was to give people a chance to get in the shops without such a long queue. Not about making a safe bubble for them? Everyone should be social distancing once in.

Vulnerable *hour not hair!

Well if an app's involved it won't be anytime soon

It won't be an app. It will be a questionnaire on Gov .UK similar to the one if you are clinically vulnerable.

The bit that was missing in that one, was the risk of being overweight/ obese which puts millions (most) of the over 50s at more risk.

Isn't that a big part of the Swedish style strategy? Behave! You too JingleBells

Swedish government strategy = double plus good
UK government strategy = double plus ungood

You know that!

I’m clinically vulnerable in a marriage I want to leave.
If I’m trapped again for an indefinite period of time I will just end myself. What’s the point?

I am obese but apparently the key is in the number, it needs to be over 35
is this correct?

Handy hint: pretty much anything that’s in the Telegraph will also be available in the Mail Online, with some randomly capitalised words.

Aaagghhh, me and dh are both over 50 and would almost certainly be advised to shield at home because we're both clinically vulnerable. We'd murder each other being forced to remain home all day, every day

@Dahlietta

Handy hint: pretty much anything that’s in the Telegraph will also be available in the Mail Online, with some randomly capitalised words.

Over 50s and/or the medically vulnerable may well have dc at school. Isolating at home seems pointless when you're sending your dc into school to be in a crowded building for 6 hours a day.