I'm wondering what types of medical conditions prevent people from wearing masks

[lovelemoncurd]

I'm trying to understand the rationale for not wearing masks. Patients with respiratory conditions routinely wear masks in hospital and it's not a problem so what are the conditions that are prohibiting mask use. After all coronavirus must surely trump them?

Those who are telling people who cannot where masks not to go to places should get themselves to pubs and go and police people's behaviour in there. People mingling non socially distanced with non household members in those places are far far more likely to be spreading covid than those exempt from wearing masks.
Or perhaps have a word with all those hugging their grandkids or anyone else on Facebook.
Have a go at those actually breaking guidelines rather than targeting those who are not ( because they are an easy target, often vunerable and so do not answer back and in some cases you don't think should be allowed out anywhere anyway and so you are using faceless as a way of airing your bigoted views).

As for 'people should do their bit' with reference to the parents not taking their adult son to places, those parents and their son will almost certainly have done their bit in terms of suffering during lockdown, far more than you will have done.

Facemasks

I was eyerolling when some people said they couldn't wear masks. I wore one around London last week and when I had a menopausal flush the mask made me feel worse (I believe) and was sick.
I still wore the mask despite how it made me feel but I can be more sympathetic now. I won't be so cynical again.

I can't wear one because I have Trigeminal Neuralgia. I tried, several times, but the agony every time meant it was just not possible. Spoke to my GP who said it was 'madness' for me to even try as I was exempt. I can't avoid going to shops etc and I have to use public transport.

The lady in Sainsbury's yesterday who glared at me then went to tell the security guard (who shrugged and said 'there's not much we can do if they decide not to wear one') and the man on the train who demanded to know what reason I could possibly have for not wearing a mask and got shirty when I refused to get into my medical history with him are just a few examples of the reactions I've been getting when out and about.

Personally don’t see any medical issues that prevent people wearing masks lots of doctors have gave evidence on this

Excise me but what batshittery is this?

Do some of your own research batshite there’s plenty of evidence out there that everybody should be able to have some mask , scarf or shield on face

Hmm. Its deleted now but still..unsure how someone can read this thread and still claim there is noone who cannot wear a covering on their face? Takes a certain kind of ignorance tbh.

As for the asthma thing, I know loads of people with asthma (in varying severities) and a lot can wear them. But some cannot. Not sure how that works, but things affect people differently I guess.

Hopsitals have to have a backup plan as they know not all canw ear them. MIL was put in a different waiting room (with a few others who could not wear either seemingly) to the masked. Of course, putting a load of people who cannot in one room is not the best, but there are space limitations and they are doing the best they can. The idea that the NHS should refuse care if people cannot wear a mask is..shocking.

Per The Epilepsy Society:

www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/news/wearing-face-mask-epilepsy-15-07-2020#.Xyghv7t4WEc

If wearing a mask makes you feel anxious or claustrophobic, which provoked a seizure, then you should not wear a mask. This is based on a research paper by Professor Helen Cross, a world expert in paediatric epilepsy. Anybody who has experience of paediatric epilepsy is going take more notice of Helen Cross than random doctors, in another field.

The paper also considered that wearing a mask could simulate hyperventilation, a well known trigger for seizures - they could not go so far as to not recommend wearing a mask; but suggest rather to take it off at regular intervals in a safe place. However, my guess is that if you are spending half a day in an indoor shopping centre, there are no safe places; and if 5 minutes of wearing a mask does provoke a seizure like hyperventilation; then it’s not practical at all.

Just spotted this on another thread

"Local papers now going around the supermarkets and counting how many people not wearing masks and if they're wearing disabilities lanyards and basically passing judgement on if their non-masking is "acceptable".

Horrific. (Derby Telegraph and Notts Post are the two I've found so far up to this shit - but I suspect all those in that newspaper group (Reach PLC) will be running exactly the same shit"

I can't breathe very well after having Covid in March. I'm still not better but that's another story.

But I wear a mask to protect myself from further infection and to protect others. if you can't breathe with a thin piece of material across your mouth then maybe you should do everything you can to avoid getting Covid, as that has been no picnic, let me tell you.

And if my asthma-suffering friend who's a nurse can wear hers for 12 hours a day in a hot Covid ward, then I'm sure most people wear one to just pop out to the shop!

More emotional blackmail

Just doing the right thing.

Also, if everyone does their bit, we can protect people and avoid another lockdown. Who wouldn't want that?!

a. your friend is not exempt if she can wear it for all that time

b. some are exempt because of the way their medical conditions affect them

c. some are exempt due to PTSD.

d Do you feel the same way about age exemption.

You are another one whose views dont match up.

@HeIenaDove

Just spotted this on another thread

"Local papers now going around the supermarkets and counting how many people not wearing masks and if they're wearing disabilities lanyards and basically passing judgement on if their non-masking is "acceptable".

Horrific. (Derby Telegraph and Notts Post are the two I've found so far up to this shit - but I suspect all those in that newspaper group (Reach PLC) will be running exactly the same shit"

That is awful. Discrimination.

I was speaking to the cashier (a friend of my daughter's) in one of our local shops and she said that a lady who has severe COPD (like my Dad) came in seriously struggling to breathe through a mask.

She told the lady that she didn't need to wear the mask and could take it off if she wished. The lady replied that she realised she was exempt but felt she had to wear the mask and struggle for breath because of the abuse she had experienced from other people.

It made me really sad for her.

And if my asthma-suffering friend who's a nurse can wear hers for 12 hours a day in a hot Covid ward, then I'm sure most people wear one to just pop out to the shop!

If your friend can wear one, the she is not exempt!

The people that are exempt CAN NOT wear a mask for various reasons.

It's not rocket science!

So I've just finished my first day back to work, in a supermarket.

Looking around today I'd say about 50% of customers were wearing a mask properly. Of the other 50% about 1/3 weren't wearing one at all. The other 2/3 had them either under their chins or with their noses sticking out. Presumably these people aren't exempt because they are wearing them, just not properly.

My big issue though isn't even so much with people not wearing masks but with what they are doing whilst not wearing masks - so not socially distancing at all, leaning round the shields at checkout, leaning towards the cashier to pay or not queueing behind the lines. So, if you genuinely can't wear a mask can't you at least follow the other rules that are in place to keep other customers and staff safe?

By the way, all staff have to wear face masks on the shop floor unless medically exempt where I work.

. Presumably these people aren't exempt because they are wearing them, just not properly

Or they are attempting it yet struggling like the woman @Topseyt mentioned.

@HeIenaDove

. Presumably these people aren't exempt because they are wearing them, just not properly

Or they are attempting it yet struggling like the woman @Topseyt mentioned.

Even being generous and giving them the benefit of the doubt, if you aren't wearing a mask for whatever reason, why are you leaning around cashier shields, not social distancing or not abiding by the queue system which means you don't step forward until the person in front moves off? Or are they exempt from all health and safety rules?

By the way, all staff have to wear face masks on the shop floor unless medically exempt where I work

Not under government guidelines they don't. None of the supermarkets I've been in (Asda, Sainsbury's, Lidl, Waitrose, Tesco, Morrisons) have had all (or even most) staff wearing masks.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras didn't I see on another thread that you were going to refuse to serve those without masks? Did your manager not allow this?

@ThisCharmingPenisHaver I think some supermarkets have made it compulsory for staff even though they didn't have to. Think I've seen Sainsbury's mentioned for that. In my local Aldi last week all but one of the checkout staff were wearing them and looking seriously pissed off about it.

@ThisCharmingPenisHaver

By the way, all staff have to wear face masks on the shop floor unless medically exempt where I work

Not under government guidelines they don't. None of the supermarkets I've been in (Asda, Sainsbury's, Lidl, Waitrose, Tesco, Morrisons) have had all (or even most) staff wearing masks.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras didn't I see on another thread that you were going to refuse to serve those without masks? Did your manager not allow this?

I know shop floor staff don't have to wear them but my store have said they do have to wear them, unless there's an exemption. Off the shop floor and in the canteen they don't have to wear them, but on the shop floor they do.

I did ask about requesting people not wearing a mask use another till - it's being looked into. Meanwhile, I'll accept customers not circumventing the shield at checkout. There's no need to. There's a slot to put money through, why do you need to lean around it and reach down to cashier?

if you can't breathe with a thin piece of material across your mouth then maybe you should do everything you can to avoid getting Covid, as that has been no picnic, let me tell you.

Tbh it seems to be those wearing masks who do not 'do everything they can to avoid getting covid' as so many appear to think a mask is some magical thing that means you cannot get ill..so why bother social distancing?

As I said (maybe not in here..) I do wonder which is more effective. the mask, or keeping distance from others. As it seems to be one or the other for many. I would say if possible, best to do both which would surely make the most sense. Shouldn't be either or.