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I'm wondering what types of medical conditions prevent people from wearing masks

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lovelemoncurd · 01/08/2020 20:55

I'm trying to understand the rationale for not wearing masks. Patients with respiratory conditions routinely wear masks in hospital and it's not a problem so what are the conditions that are prohibiting mask use. After all coronavirus must surely trump them?

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HeIenaDove · 02/08/2020 17:25

You keep talking about individual responsibilities. You keep talking about benefits and blue badges. You seem to have a thing for people who receive help from society.
If you think these things then why do you think people should wear masks for the good of society. Why should someone who doesn't want to, wear a mask so your child can go back to school? Why should they give a fuck about your kid? I think they should because we should all work together within society. You don't.
You views don't match up.
Tbh just looks like you had an opportunity to bitch about about disabled people and benefit claimants and took it

THIS x a million. @Oswin And shes not the only one doing it either There is a very gung ho for everyone wearing masks no matter what poster on here who made a comment about disabled people on benefits being at home while everyone else has to go out to work . This poster is far from the only one. You are bang on. Their views DONT match up.

They obviously voted for individualism. So basically............they should suck it up. They want it both ways. Well TOUGH!!

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 02/08/2020 17:40

They obviously voted for individualism. So basically............they should suck it up. They want it both ways. Well TOUGH!!

This. A lot of people are very much for social responsibility when it affects/benefits them.

It's quite funny to see all the I'm all right Jack's from the past freaking out and shrieking about "the greater good" and social responsibility.

Suddenly they care about the NHS, inequality in schools , government support etc. Yeah,right!

BatShite · 02/08/2020 18:26

Dh has severe asthma. However he also has issues with anything restricting his face, due to past trauma. He said he could possibly struggle through if there was only the asthma, though could possibly make himself very ill.

EpidermolysisBullosa · 02/08/2020 18:41

Have decided to repost one of my posts on the AIBU threads here:

"I posted on the last thread but have name changed as I am going to talk about a very rare genetic disorder that I also have, which could out me.

To caveat, I am unable to wear a mask due to other conditions but as epidermolysis bullosa is so rare and in some cases could make wearing a mask impossible, this thread seemed a good place to raise some awareness.

Epidermolysis bullosa is a rare condition, affecting around 5,000 people in the UK. About 70% of EB patients have EB Simplex which is the mildest form of the condition, this is what my father, my uncle, my late grandmother and I have/had.

EB causes fragile skin which blisters easily. The different types of EB distinguish between where the blistering occurs, and how deep into the skin it occurs. In more severe cases blistering is also internal - so your throat when eating, your bowels and anus when passing stools etc.

Most of those born with the most severe form of EB will die before their 3rd birthday.

I am incredibly fortunate to have the mildest type as I said before. This means my blistering is localised to mainly my feet (when walking), my hands (if I need to work hard to open a jar or bottle, or if struggling with keys, or during vigorous mixing of cake mix) and my mouth (triggered by sharp foods for example crisps if they scrape my gums or tongue). I also get blistering or sore rubbed skin around clothing seams in hot weather, my bra is a major culprit.

If I ever have surgery, I need the nurses to use special dressings to protect my skin. If I ever have a baby I will need specialist care, and involvement from my EB clinic as the condition is so rare many doctors haven't heard of it, and need support from the EB specialists to manage the care of pregnant women. My baby would be tested at birth. I am prescribed specialist antiseptic creams as bursting my blisters, especially on my feet, poses a risk of infection. I am also prescribed specialist dressings and needles. These are expensive, and so I am not prescribed enough and have to ration them - especially spycra which helps prevent blistering occurring. They are also hard to source and it took a while to find a pharmacy which could source them.

It has occurred to me on these threads that some people with more severe EB could struggle to wear a mask as this could cause their face to blister due to the contact and warmth. Same would apply to the band around their head with a visor.

EB is often referred to as 'the worst condition you've never heard of'. I just thought this might be a good example to show that there are a myriad of unusual conditions out there that could affect people.

You simply do not know what someone else is going through.

Please, please think before you judge.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/epidermolysis-bullosa/symptoms/"

BatShite · 02/08/2020 18:59

Personally don’t see any medical issues that prevent people wearing masks lots of doctors have gave evidence on this

Doctors have given evidence that no conditions exist that would make wearing a mask extremely difficult/impossible/dangerous?

Where?

BatShite · 02/08/2020 19:25

You can’t go in a hospital not wearing one but every one seems to manage that one and has done whey before they were made to wear them in shops

Not sure where only those wearing a mask are able to go into hospitals? MIL has had appointments and was asked to wear a mask, but didn't (breathing/heart issues and was told not to by GP) and was not the only one without one either. If anything, one would expect the most severely disabled people to be likely to be at hospitals, so if anything, you would see more exemptions there, not less.

Firef1y72 · 02/08/2020 19:27

@lovelemoncurd

I'm trying to understand the rationale for not wearing masks. Patients with respiratory conditions routinely wear masks in hospital and it's not a problem so what are the conditions that are prohibiting mask use. After all coronavirus must surely trump them?
I'm autistic with sensory processing issues. I also need to follow rules so have been trying to wear one. I also wear a sunflower lanyard and explain to the bus driver or person on the door that I'll keep it on as long as i can.

Less than 5min in I'm resisting the urge to pull it off my face (I can't wear glasses or a hat either and can only wear certain types of clothes). The pressure in my head starts to get unbearable, I start flicking my fingers and shaking my hand, if I'm sitting down I start headbanging.
Places like shops stress me out anyway, without a mask I can probably just about cope for an hour as long as there's not too big a crowd. Wearing a mask brings the meltdown much quicker and a meltdown is not pleasant. Its not something I want to happen but if it does its not something you want to be around. I have a point of no return, but usually can feel it building and have enough time to remove myself from the trigger, wearing a mask cuts that time down and I have no way of stopping because I can't remove the trigger. Meltdowns leave me physically and mentally exhausted for days.

So there you go, an actual medical reason for why someone can't keep a mask on, even though they want to.

TheWitchwithNoName · 02/08/2020 19:30

My MIL has COPD with 20% lung function, I can’t see how she could wear a mask but she far too scared to leave her house. It’s affecting her mental health and she doesn’t want is to visit. I’m worried we will never see her again!

500BusStops · 02/08/2020 20:11

Trigeminal Neuralgia - some sufferers cannot bear anything to touch the face, it's complete agony. One of the most painful conditions there is.

LangClegsInSpace · 02/08/2020 20:19

Horrible thread.

'I'm wondering what types of medical conditions prevent people from wearing masks'

Really?

I'm wondering why the FUCK some people can't just mind their own business.

I'm wondering why some people think they have the right to know the details of someone else's medical condition or disability, or why wearing a mask causes them severe distress.

I'm wondering whether some people would just prefer it if disabled people weren't allowed out anyway, virus or not, and have just taken this opportunity to 'say what everyone's thinking anyway'.

I'm wondering what has happened to some people's basic humanity.

How about you wear a badge - 'Self-Appointed Mask Police' or whatever. It would give the rest of us a warning to give you a very wide berth.

countrygirl99 · 02/08/2020 20:43

I'm wondering what medical condition means that some people have no empathy with people who can't wear a mask for whatever reason. I have already talked about a man who was gagged and raped as a child. Another that comes to mind is a work colleagues son. To look at him you would think healthy, active 13yo. Which is a testament to the skill of his heart surgeon and if he took off his top you would be shocked to see the scars from his 3 open heart surgeries. You should never judge on appearance alone and if you do that is your failing, no one elses.

SengaStrawberry · 02/08/2020 20:47

Besides the fact that there are numerous examples on this thread, it’s none of anyone’s fucking business what conditions exempt people have. How about you just wind your neck in and concentrate on yourself.

LangClegsInSpace · 02/08/2020 21:25

Everyone should just follow the rules.

The rules boil down to - if you can wear a face covering then you must and if you can't then you don't have to and you are still allowed in shops and on public transport, and the reasons why you can't wear one are nobody's business except for the police and TfL staff.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/592/contents/made

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made

There are no exemptions for any specific conditions or disabilities. People saying things like 'I'm technically exempt because I have X condition but I'm wearing one anyway,' need to stop it. Whatever health conditions or disabilities you have, if you can wear a mask then you are not exempt. By saying things like this you are making it harder for people who cannot wear a mask because their experience of X condition is different from yours.

The guidance says that people who are exempt are not routinely required to provide evidence and this includes exemption cards. The guidance asks members of the public to be 'mindful and respectful' of the circumstances that might make someone less able to wear a mask and that the reasons for this may not be visible.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#when-you-do-not-need-to-wear-a-face-covering

If you don't like the rules then you should write to your MP or start a petition or something. I will fight you at every stage.

Nobody bragging that 'In my country everyone wears one and there are no exceptions' has anything to be proud of. If that's true then your country has shit disability rights and this is nothing to aspire to.

Sallydimebar · 02/08/2020 21:25

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ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 02/08/2020 21:29

Do some of your own research batshite there’s plenty of evidence out there that everybody should be able to have some mask , scarf or shield on face .

Even the doctor you quoted doesn't say everybody. He says it's rare(rightly or wrongly) but admits there are people that are not able to. So no, not everybody.

Burnthurst187 · 02/08/2020 21:38

I had to go to A&E last night with DD and as I walked in next to the hand gel at reception was a small box of surgical face masks

I did wonder what they would have said if anybody refused to wear one

I was in Lidl on Saturday and saw two women walking around together with their masks under their noses. I also saw a guy walking round with his under his chin on the phone

I try to tell myself just to ignore everybody else and concentrate on myself but it's easier said than done

LangClegsInSpace · 02/08/2020 21:44

Second hand reports of comments that doctors have made about what they reckon do not constitute 'evidence'.

Batshite's MIL is every bit as entitled to decent NHS care as your dad is. I hope things go well for both of them.

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 02/08/2020 21:54

Most of those who can’t wear a mask, if they’re in public and they get infected, they are in the highest risk group for death,” said Dr. Lerner

That also suggests he's completely ignoring trauma as a cause and is focusing entirely physical health.

just because I have a mask On doesn’t mean you can be right up in my space which I’ve also witnessed

From 5 months of video chats with dh as he attempts to shop/check up on me, the worst candidates for that seem to be the mask wearers. Personally I'd love a world in which no one ever gets in my space ever again.

It would be to easy thou for us all to try and comply with a simple instruction to move us out of a pandemic a bit quicker

The reason we know we can't wear one is because we've tried. In my case it was so "easy" I nearly ended up sectioned and I'm probably going to be scarred for life (luckily behind my ear). I'm hopefully starting virtual therapy via dh's health insurance soon so who knows perhaps I'll manage at some point although it's pretty low down their list of what I need. Go figure...a hcp thinks something else is more important than covid 19.

LangClegsInSpace · 02/08/2020 22:01

@Burnthurst187

I had to go to A&E last night with DD and as I walked in next to the hand gel at reception was a small box of surgical face masks

I did wonder what they would have said if anybody refused to wear one

I was in Lidl on Saturday and saw two women walking around together with their masks under their noses. I also saw a guy walking round with his under his chin on the phone

I try to tell myself just to ignore everybody else and concentrate on myself but it's easier said than done

Well then try harder because there are a lot of people who are doing their best to wear something but can't always manage it the whole way round the shop.

Also it's none of your business anyway why anyone else might be struggling to wear a mask.

I'm sorry you have this problem and I hope you find a way to manage it.

SengaStrawberry · 02/08/2020 22:02

@LangClegsInSpace Star

LangClegsInSpace · 02/08/2020 22:06

@Dinosauratemydaffodils would you be able to get the medication you need through your DH's medical insurance?

Sallydimebar · 02/08/2020 22:16

I’m afraid it’s everybody’s business as we’re all in this pandemic . You would not believe how far behind my dad is with cancer treatment. I wish we lived in a world where we could all do our bit and work together . I do get the1 % who really can’t wear a mask and have no choice to go in shops and that’s fine but there’s quite a lot who I suspect don’t like it so don’t do it so we just go round and round . It’s not just mask wearing . There’s a load of excuses ready about every restriction they bring in And will have to bring in as obs the mask wearing won’t work . It’s hard no easy answer

lemonjam · 02/08/2020 22:23

I work with adults with learning disabilities. The majority of them are able to, and do, wear masks with some support. One person is physically unable to, and one can’t as they might eat it and choke.

DarkMintChocolate · 02/08/2020 22:38

but there’s quite a lot who I suspect don’t like it so don’t do it

Would you have this conversation with a 6 month old baby, or a 2/3 year old toddler about this? If not, why can't you understand that people with learning difficulties can be functioning at these levels, and do not understand why they should do anything they don't want to - the difference is they are the size of adults!

DD functions around the level of a 3 year old, except one who is virtually incapable of learning any new information. She can't remember what she ate at her last meal, what she did today, or the name of the person looking after her right now (if its not a member of the immediate family). You could talk to her for the rest of eternity about Covid 19, and she would not understand abstract words like asymptomatic transmission, CPAP machine, ventilators, long term effects, PTSD; and even if she could, she would have forgotten what you had said 30 seconds later. If we offer her a drink such as the choice between apple or orange juice, we have to show her the cartons to support her memory, as she can't remember the choices from the words alone. She can't cope with a choice of more than 3 items either.

She has a life threatening condition, as a result of her congenital brain abnormality - but she looks perfectly healthy and "normal", at least until she opens her mouth! I am curious to know how all you armchair medical experts can look at someone, and see the brain abnormality or not; while it took the leading consultants with the best MRI scanners in the country to see it?

Sallydimebar · 02/08/2020 22:47

Totally get that lemonjam and on the guidelines they would come under that rare reason not to wear one . If everyone could just think for a second 46,000 deaths , cancer treatment being delayed , new cancers developing that aren’t being spotted ., mental health suffering, children missing god knows how much education the list goes on . Could I not manage a face covering to nip in shop/ post office whatever or is there no one else who could nip shop / do errands for me and that by the way is not saying everyone who can’t should be locked away they can still have plenty of outdoor space , but I think it has shown COVID spreads more in indoor/confined spaces . It would just be great if we all wore the masks , washed hands and social distance would we get it right down 🤷‍♀️ So we could all have more freedom I don’t know .

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