Did no one know gatherings at home were limited to 2 households?

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So the only permitted Eid celebrations were having one brother and his family round, or one set of GPs, unless you all live together, in which case there's no change anyway?

I haven't had anyone in my house because the weather here has been lovely and we've stuck to outdoor gatherings, where up to six are allowed, but I have been vaguely aware it was only two households allowed to meet indoors. Even in the pub you're only supposed to meet up with one other household.

It does seem to have been a shocking failure of communication though.

Img seriously some of you are so child like unbelievable how your functioning adults holding down jobs.

Here is a thread complaining about poor communication when it took me what less time to google and find the information on government website than it took OP to write this damn thread

Do you seriously in this day and age need fhat kuchen sppon feeding

Clearly says if ur under local lockdown rules then check those... you know if your under that or not...again are you that unintelligent to knownid you are or not

Christ alive I despair at the level of intelligence of people

I decided long ago to stop bothering with such arbitrary rules.

I'm not much of a socialiser so tend to naturally keep my distance anyway. I wear my mask where required. That's it!

Last weekend we combined three households indoors for a while to provide family support after a very difficult time for all of us. I don't intend to bother listening to anyone who criticises us.

This is the first time I’ve seen this referred to- makes sense. And also why we may have to choose schools or pubs/cafes. Apart from support bubbles and school bubbles will confuse people no doubt.

Oh quote fail! I was talking about the number of interactions v the actual risk. I think it’s an important principle

@cyclingmad

Img seriously some of you are so child like unbelievable how your functioning adults holding down jobs.

Here is a thread complaining about poor communication when it took me what less time to google and find the information on government website than it took OP to write this damn thread

Do you seriously in this day and age need fhat kuchen sppon feeding

Clearly says if ur under local lockdown rules then check those... you know if your under that or not...again are you that unintelligent to knownid you are or not

Christ alive I despair at the level of intelligence of people

The government muddied the waters by introducing both ‘guidance’ (6 people outdoors) and ‘legislation’ (only gatherings of more than 30+ are banned). The latter was clearly designed to accommodate paid events like weddings etc but that doesn’t stop people from exploiting the loophole. Throwing a massive baby shower with people traipsing in and out of the house to use the bathroom is against the ‘guidance’ but not illegal.

This:

The general reason for inconsistencies like this is because the government are not assessing how individually risky things are, rather they're trying to calculate the effects of lots of people doing those things, and then ban or allow things based on those calculations.

So they work out that if they let 100 spin classes take place and 100 lunches take place too, then that's however many thousands of interactions between individuals, and oh, oops, that's going to be too many and risk causing too many new covid cases. So then they need to pick one to ban.

It isn't that one of those is safe and the other one isn't, it's just that they're trying to manipulate things to keep the total number of potentially covid-transmitting interactions low enough that infection numbers don't go up again.

I think understanding this is part of the problem for some people who aren't following the guidelines at the moment. It seems to make sense that if you can do X you should be able to do Y because they are similar risks, so then people do them both, not realising that the problem is the sheer number of potential covid transmissions caused by all the people doing X along with all the people doing Y.

On top of the 6 people guidance/30 people law so actually, it's not that clear when you look it up because if you look at more than once piece of government literature you'll get contradictory information we have the very clear instruction from the PM, post Cummings, that we should use common sense. On that basis, why on earth would people think it's not OK to go to have a coffee with the people they've just been in spin with?

My original post was to point out an aspect I was clear in, that it's never been allowed to have more than 2 households mixed at home, so the Eid celebrations really shouldn't have been as disrupted at people were saying they were, but it's clear the press reporting on that weren't aware, even if the public knew they would be breaking the rules, which I don't believe they all did.

I actually thought I did know the rules but had sone sympathy for those who don't, but actually it turns out I'm far.more confused than I realised. Those who have berating people for not understanding clear/simple rules, how did you get on with the quiz?

Quiz link on page 3 of this thread - thanks for posting
I got 5/14.
Real problem with the quiz is it covers all countries and differing lockdown areas.
If it had started with something like ‘where do you live?’ And then tailored the qs it would have been more helpful (and I may have done better ).
I am slightly confused by my own area regulations/rules/laws and it hasn’t been helped by now reading all about other provisions.

I don't nees to take a quiz cos like I said the info is on the government site and its super clear for me what I can or can't do.

Even when I and my sister visit my parents we leave 3 weeks in between each trip to make sure we are still all safe. We dont have to but we do it to he extra safe.

If you need to know what you can or can't do just go visit the website if has if all there in plain English

You said you weren't sure about how many household's allowed to be together but the info is all there

What's muddied the wat is the media writing crap land scaring people with wrong information before announcement is made, thats why people should go to official sources for information

Its called common sense

Like with 😷 the guidance has changed but guess what i just carry one with me at all times and if I'm not sure I just ask like yesterday when I went ro the gym...i didn't think you had to wear it walking in through reception area but I asked just before I stepped in

The gym I’m a member of (National, well known chain) has a members lounge. We asked one of the managers about 4 of us having coffee together inside she just shrugged and said as long as we socially distance it’s fine. So they’re wrong.....but they’re allowing it. They also don’t take names of anyone who has stopped for coffee/lunch like what a pub does.

I am totally confused these days as to what’s allowed and what isn’t.

I thought it was fine for everyone to mix now, as long as it was only two families inside the one household at any one time.

The other day I visited my dad, who is my bubble, my sister came to visit, but I thought it was okay to have 3 separate household members because me and my dad’a bubble only classed as one?

Where I live children’s football lessons have started up again - there are 10 boys in my son’s class.

Adult football training sessions have started up again (outside) with about 15 men in each session.

The pub I went in yesterday was very busy, not much self isolation observed (especially in the outside area) and people were going back and forth to the bar.

And in the pub I went to, nobody asked us for our names or contact details.

I've only had my children in my garden and their partners so 4 people and we stayed outside. I haven't met up with any friends. We went to the pub yesterday and it was managed very well. Table service, contact details taken, you had to sit down etc.

I have to say there was a video of the local Wetherspoons a few weekends ago and people were fighting. Lord knows how IF they were sticking to the rules. It looked as though people were stood at the bar and the group fighting were not sat at tables.

@QueenofmyPrinces the visit with your dad was ok. Your dad and your are one household, your sister makes two households so fine and within the guidelines.

I don't think it is that tricky. The guidance is available to read. I read it when there has been significant changes announced (allowing a few days for them to update it) and before agreeing to do anything with more than one other household.

I wouldn't say I have 100% stuck to the guidance, for example DD has been to her friends house for the day, and I know they won't have social distanced. But for that one occasion we used common sense, and risk assessed.

My worry is with everyone decided not to follow guidance, or that it doesn't affect them, we are no longer controlling the virus. I know myself I started to relax a little, and have now (after seeing the more recent figures) made a mental note to re read the guidance and follow more carefully.

So clear the Metropolitan police put out contradictory information cyclingmad (early post on this thread) Is it 6 or 30? As I said, the guidance is clear when you look at just one document, but there are other documents that contradict them .

If places aren't enforcing the guidelines thats different, doesn't mean the guidlines have changed or are confusing to understand. Just means some places will stick to them cos ifs for the greater good of protecting everyone, others may not.

Like my gym gave clear messages to wipe every machine after you use it, I went in and the guy was like sobt worry we clean it after every session and we know u don't have lots of time...i still did it though as it takes seconds to do

People just need to use their common sense

I am not going back to the gym. I spend all day at work disinfecting and I'm not prepared to do it in the gym. I doubt very much if everyone there will be fit and well, I've trained with obsessed people who train under all circumstances.

I've completely lost track of the rules, however I ho out only to buy good very little ccadionly (stock up), wear a mask and am careful yo social distance. The only people I see are my parents and grandmother who live together and isolate.the tkles are probably pretty irrelevant as the chances of me breaking them are so unlikely if any social interaction is allowed.
All hocus is now of businesses re opening do it's true there has been a failure to promote the message about groups meeting. Even in the height of lockdown though the number of people here that could be clearly seen meeting in groups af 12 to 15 was a joke- obviously they are special!! 🙄

Too many people are simply too lazy (or dont care) to check the rules/guidance on the Gov.uk website.

The media have been useless throughout in giving the basic information - all they've been interested in is spinning to suit their agenda. Hence why they got it so wrong at first re key/essential workers and public transport etc which did massive damage to the economy and wasn't govt advice if the BBC had bothered to check the detail.

I am totally confused these days as to what’s allowed and what isn’t.

Clearly laid out on the Gov.uk website.

I think a lot of people don’t realise there’s different guidance for “organisations” - so if you run an organisation you can have up to 30 people meeting outside provided you’ve done a risk assessment and are following “Covid secure” measures (a mixture of social distancing, taking a register, masks, sanitizer, etc.). So under the guidance a football club can have more people meeting up than your birthday party. This was presumably to allow clubs to start up again.

As other posters have said, it’s not that one is “safer” than the other, it’s the balance the government is (badly imo) trying to strike between stopping clubs and businesses going bust and increasing infection risk.

Img seriously some of you are so child like unbelievable how your functioning adults holding down jobs.

Clearly from this thread there’s plenty of us who don’t know them without looking it up.

We can all look them up, but we used to know the rules. It was clear and concise. Now, it’s apparent, people are struggling.
This thread has also highlighted they are open to different interpretations.

People just need to use their common sense

And I think that’s what most are doing now, not necessarily following the guidance but risk assessing their own.