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For the people who think they've been duped...

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mac12 · 01/08/2020 17:18

I'm not trying to start a bunfight but I'm just curious about this thought process. People who think they've been duped by coronavirus & think lockdowns were a hysterical over-reaction...

  • what do you think is going on when countries like China haven't rolled back from their strong stance on this? Do you think it's just to save face? I mean would a country really take a wrecking ball to their economy to save face?
  • why have countries like Israel or some US states, which did reopen, decide to start closing down again? Why wouldn't they just crack on and carry on with full reopening if it was so clear that they had been duped & it had all been an overreaction?
  • why wouldn't all governments be taking the Sweden line? Our govt isn't averse to the odd U-turn, why wouldn't they do this if they genuinely thought it was safe and they had overreacted?
I'm just wondering why people think governments would persist with this if it was so obviously an overreaction?
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Jussayingisall · 06/08/2020 20:22

Unless you personally know people who have been hospitalised or died of the virus, this sense of immortality will continue. I personally know a 24 year old healthy young man, who I used to teach, who had been hospitalised with Covid. He has no underlying conditions and now has lung damage.
I also know a 44 year old who lost his life to Covid- he had no underlying conditions either. Neither were BAME, neither were poor and both took this virus seriously from the beginning.
The 44 year old was a teacher, and my ex student has his own carpentry business.
No one is immortal

Anecdotal evidence or not I am not slightly worried. It's all genetic and I know that I don't get chest related illnesses or colds, never had the flu. Some people are more susceptible than others and there was always going to be a small number of 'healthy' youngish people dying from this. Just the luck of the gene pool.

Sunrise234 · 06/08/2020 20:24

But people will still get covid, just at a slower rate. So you may not get covid in September but get it in June of next year. And the effects will be the same whether you get it now or then.

If everyone gets it at the same time and they need hospital treatment then there’s physically not enough resources/beds. So the idea is to slow it right down so fewer people get it and then if they do need hospital treatment they can get it and be more likely to survive.
The temporary hospitals were built so the NHS hospitals weren’t overwhelmed but also to take contagious people away from sick people who would be more likely to get seriously ill from it. And then the normal hospitals would be able to resume treating patients for other things.

jasjas1973 · 06/08/2020 21:28

The temporary hospitals were built so the NHS hospitals weren’t overwhelmed but also to take contagious people away from sick people who would be more likely to get seriously ill from it. And then the normal hospitals would be able to resume treating patients for other things

They were PR exercise, they weren't really used (and def not to hold infectious patients) and the NHS hasn't the staff, hence why most procedures were stopped and even now the NHS isn't up to speed to treat the backlog, such is the worry over more infections.

i sometimes wonder where you get your info from?

Sunrise234 · 06/08/2020 22:03

i sometimes wonder where you get your info from?

From people who work in the NHS.

jasjas1973 · 06/08/2020 22:17

You need better friends - as few if any CV patients went to Nightingale hospitals, most were left at home until very ill & the elderly were sent back into care homes.

The NHS Nightingale Hospital London opened first on 3 April 2020. As of 5 May 2020, six of the seven planned hospitals had opened, and by the following month all had been placed on standby. The Harrogate and Exeter hospitals were repurposed as diagnostic clinics in June and July respectively

Sunrise234 · 06/08/2020 22:23

You need better friends - as few if any CV patients went to Nightingale hospitals, most were left at home until very ill & the elderly were sent back into care homes.

I didn’t say they did? I said that’s what they were built for.
It’s one thing our government actually prepared for.

jasjas1973 · 06/08/2020 22:30

Nice bit of backtracking :) as you made no mention of the above in your first post (nor your second) and you also backed that up with from people who work in the NHS

As i said, like quarantining, apps, masks and the Nightingales, its all about being seen to be doing something.

Sunrise234 · 06/08/2020 22:47

Where did I say they were full? Or used? Or we couldn’t have managed without them?

Someone else said about them so I said what they were built for and what they’re intended use was, when you asked me who I got my info from I said someone from the NHS. I thought it was a simple question so I gave a simple answer I didn’t realised I was being grilled. And it’s no secret so a quick google could tell you if I was a liar.

Sunrise234 · 06/08/2020 22:48

Where did you get your information from that it was a PR exercise?

LastTrainEast · 06/08/2020 23:08

I see people repeating things they heard on social media like "You can not eliminate a virus" or "what's the point when we're all going to get it anyway". Others saying "so why is this open and not that" "why are we allowed to do this and not that"

It's all been explained but they didn't take it in the first 8 or 9 times so they probably never will now.

It's all perfectly normal conspiracy theory gibberish like you get on YouTube etc all the time, but looks out of place on mumsnet.

FrippEnos · 06/08/2020 23:26

*@mac12
How is lobbying the LA going to do anything when most holidays clubs are privately owned?

FrippEnos · 06/08/2020 23:36

Sorry that should be @lifeafter50

jasjas1973 · 07/08/2020 08:03

Where did you get your information from that it was a PR exercise?

Do you do your own thinking? can you not see that repurposing an existing building, adding 500 beds (but claiming 4000) without the required med equipment or staff & not using it, Is all about spin.

We have an appalling death rate, left people to become v seriously ill at home and a massive backlog of patients needing non CV treatments, given those, ask yourself "why aren't we using/used these facilities?"

Sunrise234 · 07/08/2020 10:27

Do you do your own thinking? can you not see that repurposing an existing building, adding 500 beds (but claiming 4000) without the required med equipment or staff & not using it, Is all about spin.

So this isn’t factual information it’s just what you’ve decided in your own head?

In hindsight the buildings were built too quickly but everything is easier to judge in hindsight.
But I think the building of them and bringing nurses and doctors out of retirement was something our government did well just because I feel a lot of things they waited too long to do and even when they did put measures in place they were confusing. So I applaud them for being proactive even if it has been a waste of time/money so far.

askmehowiknow · 07/08/2020 10:36

@IwishIwasyoda

But the healthcare system has not been overwhelmed. New field hospitals were built that haven't been used. We already have some positive news about effective and cheap treatments for Covid. Yes we had to flatten the curve but we did .... this doesn't mean we shouldn't now be prioritising health screening for children, investing in schools, offering children more support, opening up activities for children
Completely agree with this
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