Eid celebrations

[Alex50]

I’ve just driven down a road where the local community are celebrating Eid, going into each other’s houses, one terraced house looked like it had 50 people in. My couldn’t how many they could fit in a small area. Are people mumsnet celebrating Eid at the moment?

@Bananabread8

Beaches are outside ?

And the rules that were already in existence would prohibit mixing of many households inside anyway ?

So what exactly is the problem ?

Of course the other real concern is that Asians are at higher risk of having more severe cases of covid, not only more at risk themselves but also at higher risk of hospital admission and putting hospital staff at risk too, therefore it is of great importance that this vulnerable group follow the social distancing really carefully, in the same way e.g. shielding do, in particular older males or those with diabetes.

That's not racist, it is just common sense.

[quote SusieOwl4]@Bananabread8

Beaches are outside ?

And the rules that were already in existence would prohibit mixing of many households inside anyway ?

So what exactly is the problem ?[/quote]
Yes beaches are outside. There’s no hand washing facilities and you are in close proximity to one and other? Weather your outside or not does not make a difference in fact it’s probably worse. Or are you suggesting COVID is caught indoors only when people are gathering for Eid. I’m sure most people will have been outside at some point too.
Your anger should be directed at the government.... if those saying they wanted to call the non emergency services why didn’t they? Facts is nothing was going to be done by the police because they simple are not interested and have more important things to do.

@Bananabread8 that’s fine carry on with celebrating but don’t look shocked when your family and friends are sick in hospital, you can’t blame the government then.

@Alex50 you have no idea if the people travelling will isolate or not - that comment is really off. Are you saying the same about people or Spain or is just people travelling from India you object to ?

I celebrated Eid with my family outdoors. I guess I should feel bad for breaking the local lockdown but the precautions we took far outweigh the risk. Food prepared and plated by one person who is effectively shielding. Plenty of distance and disposable cutlery handled by the same person. Hand sanitiser galore and chairs placed 2 metres apart.

I completely accept that more education and enforcement needs to happen to limit the spread but a last minute lockdown with no notice and no communication has helped no-one. We were in touch with the Council to risk assess plans for the Eid prayer at our mosque- they had no idea this lockdown was about to happen. I’ve seen awful racist attitudes on social media from the same people who clapped for the NHS but conveniently forget the NHS would be incredibly different without the BAME members of staff who are its backbone.

@Nomorewineever

I’m not happy today.

The family opposite our house are celebrating Eid. The rules in our area are clear - 2 households mixing as described upthread.

So far today we have had 14 cars visit, each one with 4+ people in. Every knock at the door has been greeted with hugs and double kisses and the exchange of food boxes. Each exit has been given in the same way. At one stage there were 14 children in the garden which tells you how many adults were indoors.

This is OUR community. The ridiculous and selfish behaviour is beyond comprehension. One of the Male adults who lives in the house works serving in a local shop and doesn’t wear a mask or gloves.

And as others have said - celebration or not - I would not do this. I am in my bubble with my DM and already we have said this is who we will only likely be able to spend Xmas with this year. For DM (who has barely missed a Sunday in church all her life - Irish catholic with devout followings) this is a massive thing. But she will not do it because safety comes first.

It’s utterly taking the piss. As this massive gathering is still in full swing I am very very close to calling the non-emergency police line.

"These people"

"This is OUR community"

Nice bit of othering there.

So far today we have had 14 cars visit, each one with 4+ people in. Every knock at the door has been greeted with hugs and double kisses and the exchange of food boxes. Each exit has been given in the same way. At one stage there were 14 children in the garden which tells you how many adults were indoors.

So you've been watching their every move? How do you know there are 14 children in the garden if you live opposite - are they all in the front garden?

One of the Male adults who lives in the house works serving in a local shop and doesn’t wear a mask or gloves. Um, in my local shops, lots of the workers don't wear either of these things. He is probably washing his hands and using hand sanitizer, which is probably a lot more effective.

Why don't all you people who are complaining call the police then? Non emergency line of course but do it.
Rnting on mumsnet isn't going to change things is it??

Mustnottouchmyface and theb everyone does the same thing thinking they know better yet casss have risen..carry on by all means and then one of your loved one dies ....who will you blame them...gou knew best though right

Oh and don't forget to apologise to all the other ppl who impacted by local restrictions that abided by the rules and now have some of their freedom taken away cos of covidiots like you thinking its fine to do what you like. Well done congrats

All international flights from India to the rest of the world are suspended since March

Bit surprised to read this, @cheekaa ... I checked just Heathrow arrivals and three BA flights have already arrived today from India, with more en route
I also tried a couple of travel sites and there seems no problem in booking flights for the immediate future

Perhaps you could clarify where you got your information?

@bibbitybobbitycats

The post you quoted doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. It’s probably 90% true. The fact is, it IS that way in many ethnic-majority areas (yes I’ve written about this before and I’m from a BAME background). Go to Alum Rock or Sparkbrook in Birmingham and you’ll see what I mean.

Should we be as equally damning about illegal raves etc? Yes absolutely. But this type of sustained, intergenerational communal is common to a lot of ethnic communities. Your average wedding for us is 500 people. Your typical Eid celebration involves visiting multiple households a day. Different households customarily live on the same street and are so used to popping in and out of each other’s houses. Things need to change.

This is not unique to Muslims but includes Hindus etc too.

@cyclingmad my neighbours were telling me how they went to the local pub last night and met friends who sat at an adjoining table and they had a lovely old time celebrating a birthday. I’ll have to share your sentiments with them.

@Puzzledandpissedoff there’s decay problem with flights from India, we’ve been trying to get a product for work, it’s just not been possible. Surprised if there have been flights (it’s a life saving product) and we have a company we use who are very experienced.

if the rules were being followed before tightening of lockdown these celebrations should NOT be happening under the rules anyway?

Interesting that you should add the quetion mark, SusieOwl - this question has never been addressed so far and it seems there's little chance it will be

Perhaps we could try a different one and ask who people expect to accept the blame if the mass indoor gatherings result in many additional cases and deaths?

@Alex50 I’m not celebrating because I’m not Muslim however I’m more than happy for others to do so mainly because when the majority of Christians want to celebrate or too up their tans on hot days like yesterday I don’t hear or read the same bad attitude. So yes let them have their celebrations. LETS BE FAIR. Other than Eid I do believe they will adhere to the rules. I also say this working on a hot ward. I’ve had the Covid and I also have had a positive antibody test.

I still don’t begrudge a soul. Life is too short and I will not live as though there’s not other important things just as Covid it’s ridiculous and turning some people very unkind!!

“It’s our community” after all.

Yeah but u admit your breaking the rules but going to a pub and keeping distance with ur friends is allowed.

Thats the difference they stick with the guidelines and u admit your breaking them ....

@Alex50 ohhh and when people protested for BLM it showed no raise in the R rate bit strange isn’t considering it was mainly ethnic people in close proximity..... yet BAME are alleged more at risk

Surprised if there have been flights

So was I, Pomegranate, which is why I asked the PP to clarify
But they're all there in black and white on the LHR site, and as said I got all the way through to paying for flights next week without being told they weren't possible

[quote Bananabread8]@Alex50 ohhh and when people protested for BLM it showed no raise in the R rate bit strange isn’t considering it was mainly ethnic people in close proximity..... yet BAME are alleged more at risk [/quote]
Why don’t people understand that indoor mixing is far, far riskier than outdoor? Even if the latter is quite busy. It’s why VE Day lead to no noticeable spikes.

It’s akin to trying to avoid the smell of a fart. Indoor will always be worse.

This is just getting ridiculous now.

People need to abide by the guidelines, no ifs, ands,buts and exceptions.

Can you not see the number of infections going up again? It's just utter stupidity to think that there are no consequences to just ignoring the guidelines (and laws in some cases).

[quote Redolent]@bibbitybobbitycats

The post you quoted doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. It’s probably 90% true. The fact is, it IS that way in many ethnic-majority areas (yes I’ve written about this before and I’m from a BAME background). Go to Alum Rock or Sparkbrook in Birmingham and you’ll see what I mean.

Should we be as equally damning about illegal raves etc? Yes absolutely. But this type of sustained, intergenerational communal is common to a lot of ethnic communities. Your average wedding for us is 500 people. Your typical Eid celebration involves visiting multiple households a day. Different households customarily live on the same street and are so used to popping in and out of each other’s houses. Things need to change.

This is not unique to Muslims but includes Hindus etc too.[/quote]
Redolent that's interesting to know. Obviously none of that is sensible at the moment and people are going to get frustrated, but it doesn't excuse the nasty tone of the post I quoted.

Hopefully there won't be an uptick in infections, but we'll only know that in a couple of weeks.

In the words of Brian Blessed, I wish this virus would bugger off and leave all of us alone.

www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-extends-ban-on-international-flights-till-august-31/story-ervIbqmVguo9xNEQxozWJL.html

I will stand corrected if the above is not correct.

*definitely not decay !

@Cheeseybites

Why don't all you people who are complaining call the police then? Non emergency line of course but do it. Rnting on mumsnet isn't going to change things is it??

Our area did. I personally called 4 times. I know one resident who took photos and number plates. The police made excuses of being busy and never once turned up. In fact, on a local gossip page, a woman rang 14 days in a row as she was shielding and the only space she had was her garden. The garden had a low wall and her neighbours kept having 20 plus out there for Ramadan. She asked them politely to move off her wall and out of her garden. They ignored her. In the end the police told her to stop calling as it was being seen as "racially motivated harrassment" and she would be fined if she didn't stop. Meanwhile, same police force was giving fines to people for not going to their nearest supermarket and for buying what they felt were non essential items.

[quote SusieOwl4]@LadyofTheManners

Why cant individuals just follow the guidelines without the need for the police ? That’s the question .[/quote]
Because sadly, it feels like there are rules for most and none for others.
If a community of any sort know they can ignore rules and get away with it, they will all ignore them. All it would take would be a night of catching 3 or 4 groups, fining them (and not some £60 pocket money fine, I'm talking like Ireland where it was £2000) and it would soon get round that it wasn't going to be tolerated anymore.

We've had no Easter, no mother's Day, no weddings, all important to me as a Christian. We have simply had online worship by our vicars. We miss being in church but it is what it is. To allow one group to go ahead and not the rest, it's just asking for right wing morons to use it to spread more hate.