Chris Witty "We're at the limits of the contact we can allow"

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I've been watching the Press conference and I always find Chris Witty the voice of reason. He is saying that we are at the limit of what we can open without the virus spreading further and we may even have to take a step back. So where does this leave the opening of schools in a few weeks time?

Laurie how can we have nurses and carers unable to work in a health crisis? It’s just reality.

Also agree with Laurie that for one term it was passable. That time has now ended, two tiered education ignores the rights of many.

Laurie how can we have nurses and carers unable to work in a health crisis? It’s just reality.

Equally, how can we be preventing those in revenue producing jobs in the private sector from working, when we badly need the money they raise to pay for the public sector roles that are so vital?

The system is based on reciprocity. Break that down and the whole system collapses.

Incidentally why does this KW cc need to be provided by teachers?

I keep seeing posts about lumping non KW in cc. That can be done for KW instead.

Also agree with Laurie that for one term it was passable. That time has now ended, two tiered education ignores the rights of many.

Absolutely. I have lawyer friends starting to mutter about what needs to be done to challenge such an unacceptable situation continuing for any longer.

See above for that ie. they don’t care which person is in that job and which is unemployed. I’m thinking how I think they would see it not my own views.

Having been in schools with the vulnerable and kids of kw with no other options I actually felt really sorry for those kids not envious that my son wasn’t there.

They’ve been parked in schools because they couldn’t be at home for months.

Private schools have provided loads of support to their pupils over the last term
and have the motivated high earning parents to make sure their kids progress

The most needy in society have had nothing
up to a million children have had no home schooling at all

the long term damage to their life chances is massive

Its an absolute scandal

but giving Theresa May's husband a knighthood is more important to the Government

This study warns that the impact on schooling will impact the economy for 65 years:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/education-53514564

They’ve been parked in schools because they couldn’t be at home for months.

The time of using school to park children has to be over. Education in school for all, with equal access. If that means KW use cc free based on need so be it.

Lawyer friends cross that carers had to park their kids in school for the privilege of going to earn minimum wage in unsafe environments is surely ridiculous?

I would agree what is counted as a kw in terms of childcare needs to be narrowed.

Our care was provided by a mix of tas and teachers, often volunteers who were happy to go on the rota on top of their online provision.

And now we’re back to everyone in full time and ignore the infection rates that will follow and the fact schools will be closing once a few members of staff need to isolate.

Let’s not do the whole circle again.

It’s a shit situation but let’s all hope it doesn’t go on for too long and be willing to do what needs to be done to make that as short as possible.

That's an interesting study sunshine because those academics made a range of practical suggestions. Both The Times and the BBC homed in on the harm to the economy as the headline without reporting any of the details and recommendations of the report. I genuinely don't understand why that would be.

This (UK) is hardly hardline communist DPR Korea or Cuba. We are an international open society and so yes we are far from equal as obviously some are evidently more equal than others! This is called diversity. Look at the crap online with the so called celebs. Essentially you are celebrating and adding to their wealth and their me me me marketing spin. Many doubtfully have as much "talent" as they make themselves out to be with all the beauty filters maxed out and then some.

Economic and business community wealth investors and creators on the other hand offer income employment generation and are a totally different kettle of fish. So yes someone will be your boss and someone else will be your "servant" that is how the business world we find ourselves work. We simply can't be the same. And sure does the CEO needs to be on a multi million pound yearly contract (at the top top level) answer is no but he(she but obviously mostly he!) will be the one paying your mortgage and bills in return for you slaving away making money for everyone including the government to pay for your healthcare and children's education.

We simply can't have a riot at the drop of the hat because we are bored of the lockdown and fancy an illegal rave mass gathering spreading virus, or because we think we are another US state as unlike the USA we are not a failed dysfunctional society (yet!).

We need to take mental stock and face this unfortunate Covid challenge. Try to take all combine Covid smart mitigation measures consistently and stop looking at offers to save your bacon because there is so much any government can do as its all up of you/us to make a difference. We are all in this medical war and people need to recognise that unlike WW2 there are no bombs dropping down on us (I was not born then by the way!) but you need to dodge these invisible pesky virus things that you can't see or hear! We will only survive if we all pull our weight and for civic duty and personal self respect and pride if nothing else grow the fuckwit up and move on! Apologies for rant to the majority smart and collective Mums Net mums here! I want us all to collectively do our bit where possible to help ourselves and help each other as there is no other way especially given the continued governmental conflicting advice and (deliberate) unambiguous mixed messaging. Remember you may be in a mental head space you rather not be but you unlike 60k Brits have a choice and as a Covid war survivor make the most of it!

And sadly I can well imagine tories thinking if a proportion of workers have to be economically inactive during a recession it might as well be women with young children to look after who are expensive anyway due to parental and/or maternity leave.

I would go further and say that plenty of Conservatives don't really think both parents should be in work, and still hold old-dated views of one parent families, so in general I don't think a Conservative government is an ally of working mothers.

The figure is around 9% of employed people have a child under twelve in education. The ten million children quoted is not ten million adults affected, because of varying family size. The teaching unions will not have the power they assume here. Children will be back at School. See Scotland for example.

Exactly. Remember the not long ago married tax business where the wifee could give part of her tax free allowance to the provider husband? They’re in no way subtle about how they think things should be.

Conservative is typically small state, not atm obviously but I’m not convinced about the argument below. Labour more likely to support higher number out of work.

You can see this evident in Sunak’s schemes to keep people tied to business.

For goodness sakes it’s not about power of unions. It’s reality of pandemic and pragmatics of keeping a school open with no social distancing or ppe and the need for staff to isolate with symptoms when we’re low staffed already.

Sunak is trying to keep the pound up and protect shareholders

The teaching unions don't labour under any illusions about power.

No I disagree he doesn’t want mass unemployment. Everything with furlough is to prevent this.

He doesn’t want it all in one go so all confidence in sterling and stock markets crash. He’s flattening the curve to coin a phrase. And that curve is the one that most interests him and his mates.

Same as schools will be back and safe, all normal by Christmas is about trying to get people confident to spend because they saw massive drops.

Open the pubs etc let’s squeeze some life out of the economy before the winter of discontent.

I can’t see what Sunak has done as about his mates. He’s a good economist first.

If you’re on the left? That does viewpoint tend to permeate. Especially on here. I’d say I’m central and find it interesting due to what I studied.

Labour traditionally would intervene in the jobs market to a much greater extent than Conservatives.

If the Conservatives were concerned about job losses going forwards, they'd have looked at sectoral support.

The schemes in other European countries don't cost as much but are more targeted and look likely to continue longer.

They may yet pull back from the cliff edge, but a lot of people are now in consultation.

You have to read between the lines using the filter of how they look at the world. And they employ spin doctors and behavioural scientists to look through the lens of how you see things and advise them how to spin you.

This is modern politics and human management