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Chris Witty "We're at the limits of the contact we can allow"

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confusedandold · 31/07/2020 12:30

I've been watching the Press conference and I always find Chris Witty the voice of reason. He is saying that we are at the limit of what we can open without the virus spreading further and we may even have to take a step back. So where does this leave the opening of schools in a few weeks time?

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itsgettingweird · 31/07/2020 17:31

They didn't mention swimming pools?

The Pm Statement was putting brakes on. So stopping those things due to open tomorrow for 2 weeks. No mention of closing or stopping opening if things already allowed to open.

itsgettingweird · 31/07/2020 17:32

If they weren't so adamant that no masks should be worn in schools they'd probably solve half the risk issue

Rainbow12e · 31/07/2020 17:37

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FaiIWorseAgain · 31/07/2020 17:37

Does anyone know if nits were eradicated from classrooms before they all closed?
Threadworms haven't been - had to dose the family after DC picked them up after return to school.

BatShite · 31/07/2020 17:38

Many parents are in poor health or have grandparents living in the house and they want to continue to educate their children at home. This should be allowed

I am not really understanding the amount of people who think this is not allowed? Even without covid, anyone is perfectly entitled to homeschool their child, for any reason.

Loads of friends were kicking off about this and seemed to think that they weren't able to do this, have now chilled out after being told that they can absolutely decide to homeschool if they chose to. Seems not well known that people have the option to keep them home if they want to? So many think being told the kids are going back means they have no choice and MUST send their child in even if they wish to remain h0omescholing. Maybe this should be made clearer, that the choice is still there..that if you think its unsafe, you can still chose not to send back..

BackInTime · 31/07/2020 17:39

I think there will have to be trade offs and I guess they will learn more about the risk areas of transmission as time goes on. I think a nationwide restriction such as we have seen in today is a real possibility where most businesses remain open but social contact between households is limited. This will against the grain with schools but education absolutely needs to be prioritised above social gatherings in homes and pubs.

TheHoneyBadger · 31/07/2020 17:41

Yes you can homeschool but have to deregister and give up your school place.

As for nits, touch wood, I’ve never picked them up in secondary.

PatriciaPerch · 31/07/2020 17:42

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cooperage · 31/07/2020 17:43

PLEASE stop calling it Track and Trace, folks. This isn't the Royal Mail.

It's TEST and trace.

ListeningQuietly · 31/07/2020 17:44

Schools / Universities = Open
Gyms and sports centres = open
Parks and outdoor recreation spaces = open

Pubs, restaurants and any business that employs a Tory MP as a consultant = shut

maddy68 · 31/07/2020 17:44

They need to get businesses working economically they have to. We really do need a vaccine or effective treatment very soon

ChavvySexPond · 31/07/2020 17:45

Find
Test
Trace
Isolate
Support

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SengaStrawberry · 31/07/2020 17:46

@Thesilkshawl

It’s become clear that lockdown only works if it’s permanent. Whenever it’s lifted the virus returns.

We’ve got two options: lockdown until a vaccine is found, which will destroy our economy & our children’s futures; or accept that the vulnerable shield themselves, if they choose to, while the rest of us get back to normal. Schools, offices, shops, pubs, churches, football matches, gyms, all open.

I’ve got a lung condition - but I’ve also got kids who need education & jobs & a future. So I vote for the second option. That’s because I believe we need to put children and young people first. As my 89 year old mother said to me yesterday (before getting on a bus to do her shopping): ‘people do die of illnesses, you know’.

I honestly think Chris Whitty has lost sight of the overall goal - to preserve our society and our children’s future. He’s become an obstacle to that. I’m really worried he’s throwing my kids’ futures away; he’s more of a threat to them than Covid is.

Chris whitty is a medic. It’s not his job to consider the wider implications re the economy/business etc. There are other advisers who do that. Listening to the scientists and medics and no one else would be madness, as it would be to listen to economists and no one else
Orangeblossom777 · 31/07/2020 17:47

OK well contact tracing was used. More about it here, quite interesting.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/transmission-at-home-is-the-danger-3vl9xbks5

Coronavirus: transmission at home is the danger
The northern lockdown is prompted by infected people visiting friends and family, not going to the pub

ministers say that data from NHS Test and Trace did provide a clear rationale for restricting social life rather than economic activity. Contact tracing shows that the “vast majority” of infected people have mainly been seeing friends and extended family who live nearby.

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2020 17:47

@cooperage

PLEASE stop calling it Track and Trace, folks. This isn't the Royal Mail.

It's TEST and trace.

Doesn't really matter what you call it. It doesn't work and is unlawful into the bargain.

Fucked might be a better phrase. As in "Well fucked".

Derbygerbil · 31/07/2020 17:47

@Thesilkshawl

I see your point, and it has credibility as you admit you have a lung condition yourself, but if we just went back to normal in the way you suggest, then it wouldn’t and couldn’t stay normal for very long. Things got very close to the edge and 50,000 died with 5-10% of the population infected. Make that 60-70% and you’ve got a catastrophe. As for protecting the vulnerable, we’re in a better position than we were in March to do that, but you couldn’t provide good protection in the midst of 100,000s of new daily infections (which you’d get if you let it run it’s course). And as for the vulnerable, 15 million vulnerable adults are eligible for flu jabs.... and there are perhaps 5-10 million who live with them. How could we possibly get back to any semblance of normality with that number locked away? Businesses wouldn’t be able to operate.

We need to tread a middle path through this.

Ylvamoon · 31/07/2020 17:48

Seems not well known that people have the option to keep them home if they want to? So many think being told the kids are going back means they have no choice and MUST send their child in even if they wish to remain h0omescholing. Maybe this should be made clearer, that the choice is still there..that if you think its unsafe, you can still chose not to send back

The issue is that parents are likely to lose their school place. Which is an issue for some households with genuine high risk members. And then there are others who really want it both ways.
I think it needs to be addressed on an individual basis/ risk assessment carried out via NHS. Like the shielding letters that were sent out back in March. Schools should act accordingly and continue to support those children at home.

Orangeblossom777 · 31/07/2020 17:49

The hope is that by taking this action ministers will avoid the need for a more extensive lockdown that would be economically devastating for many businesses who have only just been able to reopen.

If it is successful, senior government sources say, it could become a model for other regional — or even a national — lockdown in the winter when internal projections suggest there is likely to be another spike in cases.

In particular they say there is no evidence that children going to school are drivers of infection, or two people going for a socially distanced drink. They claim they want to be “smart” about further restrictions rather than taking a blanket approach.

Stellakent · 31/07/2020 17:49

I don't think pubs and restaurants are the issue. Every one I have been to has followed guidelines and social distancing is possible. I've visited museums and art galleries and it was the same. I went swimming this week and it was well organised and socially distanced. We need to support these activities - it is people's livelihoods.

It's barbecues, parties and gatherings in private homes which are a problem. People feel safe as they're in a place they know with people they know. Almost no social distancing happening in many cases.

SengaStrawberry · 31/07/2020 17:49

Thing is we are always going to get more cases and deaths and we have to accept that. Expecting no one to get it or die is ridiculous. We have to learn to live with the risk but in a controlled way

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 31/07/2020 17:50

The fundamental issue and major concern is what will be the new (sacrificed) “care” homes? No I don’t mean HM pleasure extended staycation centres (joke people!). But could schools inadvertently become the new vector for community spread owing to number of children and adult staff in a densely packed indoor bubble setting spending hours together daily.

Teaching staff and some families who are well outside the catchment area (that entitled minority who seems to have cheekily gamed the entry application system) will be commuting using shared mass transit public transportation so a weak link and further “opportunity” to collect and spread Covid and other germs etc. Probably no mandatory face coverings (nor concern) so relaxed on PPE but possibly great at washing hands constantly which is not necessarily that helpful when you are transferring it through word of mouth (literally). Just as say flu, chickenpox, lice can spread rapidly within a school, the consequences for Covid unlike these other medical issues are potentially fatal (if not for the child but say an elderly more vulnerable close relative) and cannot be managed without immediate shut down.

Obviously Covid UK with European record fatalities is proving how silently asymptomatic and highly contagious this pandemic is. So in the next breath yes we want schools to reopen (of course we mums (and dads) do! But only if safe as mum and dad needs to pay the bills (at the office so that we can buy lunch or wfh) and can’t home school forever as we are not teachers in the school educational sense. Many of us mums of Mums Net left university, postgraduate and professional education years and years ago so not educationally challenged but just can’t teach
the basic children stuff well! Video conferencing classes for children have proven extremely challenging to perfect too.

Bit of a dilemma (understatement) but sure let’s prioritise traditional in school schooling with all the natural tangible childhood peer group learning and overall development.

It’s not as if we are, say able to operate an Australian bush outback remote learning system as we simply don’t have the infrastructure and resources to do that for everyone. If the economic collapse deepens how many productive tax payers can carry on funding “free” schooling and healthcare?

What a complex balancing act as I note on this scorcher of a fine English summer day how surprise surprise the coast and beaches are jam packed and so let’s see what happens when these mass gathering events lead to as to whether schools or indeed the next Covid wave can be managed to some modicum of pandemic familiarity! We need a Covid secure(ish) smart education innovation and possibly "Chuck" other less critical sectors (no choice possibly) under the bus if push comes to shove. Covid has killed more than just people but the survivors owe it to the less fortunate to get cracking and sort out the least pain Covidexit plan as with Brexshit! What a double whammy!

Stay safe and apparently it's now - hands, face space!

Orangeblossom777 · 31/07/2020 17:50

That is continued from the link above...

DebLou47 · 31/07/2020 17:53

This is getting brutal I know of someone 32 locked in a flat for 4 months with 3 kids and hung herself , girls crying and depressed because their business can't open now ! What are we going to do lock down all the time ... we didn't for the 1958 flu and 80'000 brits died

ballsdeep · 31/07/2020 17:58

@sleepyhead

Scottish schools go back a week on Tuesday so they'll be beginning to have some idea of how it's gone.
Scotland have eased out of lockdown a lot slower than Boris and his merry men
Rainbow12e · 31/07/2020 17:59

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