No sympathy for people who booked a recent holiday

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Headlines this morning have got me cross. People who are 'devastated' that their holiday to Spain that they booked last week won't go ahead as they can't quarantine on return and lost all their money.
How stupid to book a holiday when you know it is a risk. We were going to go away and had not booked anything as was leaving it till the last minute. . We still could but I would not expect my work to pay for me in quarantine on top of two weeks away. It is understandable if I had booked before the pandemic but why should a firm pay for quarantine for those who knowingly knew it may be a risk.
I have full sympathy for those that booked before the pandemic and at least they will be insured. But c'mon how can you be upset that you have lost your money for a holiday you booked last week and now can't go on due to quarantine?

Isn't it funny how many people believe the government when it comes to something they want to do ie go on holiday (even though they said there was also a risk things could change), but with something like masks oh no I don't trust the government.

@annabel85

You need to check out how cheap it is to fly to Spain then.

Looked at Mallorca a couple of weeks ago, flights were £91 and 2 weeks in a 3* apartment (sleeps 6) in Pollensa for 10 days was £550.

Package deals for 7 nights were around £300 to Alcudia.

I'm amazed at how people with little money will juggle credit cards to get what many of us take for granted.

Don't worry, didn't book it......

Not like Labour to be out of touch with public mood.

Yes, thank the good Lord we have BJ, Raab, Javid, Patel, Gove, Sunak, Hancock, Mogg etc. Working hard to ensure that the ‘Great’ British public’s best interest is at the heart of everything they do...

Oh, wait...

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@jasjas1973

I didn't see Sofie Ridge but I can assume he was referring to people who had to isolate going about their daily business in the UK. Not for those returning from Non essential holidays.

The government said international travel can resume, so if you make the decision to go on a NON essential holiday THEY should pay your 2 weeks quarantine. Really?

If bosses won't pay or the government won't pay then sod it people will think mmmmmm decisions, decisions. I have to go to work as things are so tight. Let's spread the virus so I can have my NON essential holiday.

You are right though, holidays are cheap and people will think they can get 4 weeks off for the price of 2 if they then get paid to isolate on return.
There are too many self obsessed people out there who think the world owes them everything.

You take a NON essential holiday in a pandemic you are responsible, not your employer or the government.
No one else but you.

Yes there may be thousands of exhausted people but “need” a holiday I don’t agree. What people need is time off work

Yeah, there's a difference. Surely just one summer without a foreign holiday isn't too much to ask (emergency situations aside).

@Jojobythesea
Are you on the right thread.
There are 2 running with similar a theme.

Looked at Mallorca a couple of weeks ago, flights were £91 and 2 weeks in a 3 apartment (sleeps 6) in Pollensa for 10 days was £550.

Package deals for 7 nights were around £300 to Alcudia.*

And then they spend the 1 or 2 weeks in the bar and at restaurants etc. It adds up, especially for a family.

@whiteroseredrose

This might actually be the new normal.

We've not been 100% successful with a flu vaccine and have got nowhere with the common cold.

We may be 'in the middle of a global pandemic' for a very long time.

At what stage do we accept this and live again?

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[quote ShutUpaYourFace]@jasjas1973

I didn't see Sofie Ridge but I can assume he was referring to people who had to isolate going about their daily business in the UK. Not for those returning from Non essential holidays.

The government said international travel can resume, so if you make the decision to go on a NON essential holiday THEY should pay your 2 weeks quarantine. Really?

If bosses won't pay or the government won't pay then sod it people will think mmmmmm decisions, decisions. I have to go to work as things are so tight. Let's spread the virus so I can have my NON essential holiday.

You are right though, holidays are cheap and people will think they can get 4 weeks off for the price of 2 if they then get paid to isolate on return.
There are too many self obsessed people out there who think the world owes them everything.

You take a NON essential holiday in a pandemic you are responsible, not your employer or the government.
No one else but you.

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Youre commenting on something here youve said yourself you didnt watch. She asked Raab why midweek Spain was classed as absolutely fine to travel to. Then its a no go. Why not a traffic light system so people can see a problem might occur when away? Other countries are doing this. He was talking about people coming back from holidays too. And told they shouldnt lose out financially for "doing the right thing".
You seem to be banging on about whether or not a holiday is essential? How do you know why people were on holiday or abroad? Maybe work, maybe visiting family - pretty essential IMO. The Gov said just a couple of weeks ago - enjoy your summer and travel! God forbid anyone listened to them. Then again today theyre telling us to go on diets whilst giving us vouchers for money off mcdonalds and pizza.

@Jojobythesea - your still on the wrong thread
@jasjas1973
It's a pandemic, situations are constantly changing, does common sense not tell you it's an uncertain time to travel?
I have no problem if you want to go on holiday. Great go for it. Just don't expect the tax payer or your employer to pay your salary for 2 weeks if you have to isolate on your return.
If you have to go to work when you should be isolating (because you can't afford 2 weeks unpaid) then it's your responsibility to make the right decision before travelling in the first place.

This is a changing situation, we could all be in local lockdown at some stage. No ones saying don't go and don't live your life, just don't be CF and expect government bailouts for everything, especially if it's non essential travel.
A working holiday may be seen as essential and I guess your employer would pay.

@Jojobythesea - sorry I see you are referring to a post made at 7:30 this morning. I missed that one earlier.
I'm all for getting on with life too but I don't expect the government or my employer to pay for my isolation if I had to on my return from holiday. Do you?

@ShutUpaYourFace No. definitely not. I wouldn't expect anyone to pay for my time off/quarantine and haven't had any time off work over lockdown. I just think this could go on for many years. There is a flu jab but still hundreds die from flu every year so this is likely to never go away. There has to be a certain amount of herd immunity now that we have had the first phase of The virus. We all need to take responsibility for those around us that are vulnerable but also with various things going on in my life right now I feel that life is so short we can't just stay in this limbo indefinitely.

Ffs why are some people just so nasty?

Can you not just be glad that you haven't been out in the position of losing your money or faxing quarantine yourself without digging the knife into others ?

Whilst I have sympathy with people who have issues with the quarantine you have to remember we are in the midst of a pandemic so it is a very significant risk. I've lost around £1,500 on cancelled holidays and deposits I've decided to lose rather than risk paying the full balance. Whilst its not ideal I've got to accept it!
Those people who are saying a holiday is a basic need, remember those who lived through WW2 didn't have holidays for 6 years and seem to cope somehow!
By all means book holidays if you wish and you're also doing a great job supporting the beleaguered travel industry, but you've got to take it on the chin if things are changed around you.

Barrychuckle2 What about people who booked lady year before the pandemic, who have travel insurance, who can't travel against the advice of the FCO but whose holiday company says they can't get a refund? We were prepared to lose £600 deposit but the terms and conditions state if we cancel we owe the balance... £2.4k. The company day they won't cancel the holiday as the flights are still leaving and the hotel is still open. Our insurance won't be valid if we travel.

freek that's tough luck, I'm afraid.
siruation change. a vulanic erruption in the holiday destination might mean a cancelled holiday. or air travel staff strike. or illness of one of the persons travelling.
shit happens.

I'm sorry you lost your holiday & money.

Freek. That's really shit for you
In that situation I have every sympathy. It's those that booked recently I can't feel sorry for.

They are the ones taking a gamble knowing the potential consequences so they have no reason to moan when it goes wrong.

I do feel sorry for people who have lost money and their holiday. And for people who will have to isolate when they come home.

But what I am getting sick of is people complaining about the quarantine rules being unfair. And that the government has made a shamblea of suddenly announcing it.

It's not many weeks ago ALL travellers had to quarantine on arrival to the UK. And its not many months ago that thousands of people and schools returning from ski trips kick started this virus in the UK in the first place.

If the government hadn't acted swiftly and introduced this and we had a second wave or another peak caused by people returning from Spain it would have been more detrimental to more people.

Dh is a builder. Other subcontractors on his job currently in Spain. Their boss said yesterday they will all be back at work as normal next week (they return over the weekend) and was told by management under no circumstances will they be allowed on site until 2 weeks after they land and they want to see an itinerary of all of them now to ensure they all do a full 14 days. Subbies boss now whinging and complaining its a shambles that will cost him money, his lads money, they've got families etc. That's the attitude that is wrong, that 1 families income is more important than anyone elses. Or anyone else's health.

As a nurse the last thing I will be doing in the next 6 months is taking a holiday abroad. You know why? Because there is still a world wide pandemic out there but so many people have such an inflated sense of entitlement these days that it is selfish and self centred. Yes I know people have had a hard time over the last 6 months and need something to look forward to but come on, people really need to step up now for the good of the many and stop whining ffs.
The next person who tells me they need a holiday I’ll happy swing my 7 hours a day PPE at them.

It's not that much of a hardship to stay home is it?

@Freeekedout

Barrychuckle2 What about people who booked lady year before the pandemic, who have travel insurance, who can't travel against the advice of the FCO but whose holiday company says they can't get a refund? We were prepared to lose £600 deposit but the terms and conditions state if we cancel we owe the balance... £2.4k. The company day they won't cancel the holiday as the flights are still leaving and the hotel is still open. Our insurance won't be valid if we travel.

In fairness I was predominantly referring to people who book on or after lockdown, where they definitely need to take the consequences. If the official FCO advice is not to visit that country then the insurance company should cover that. If they are refusing I'd be tempted to take that to complaint as that is unfair. But I'm also reading about a lot of people who've simply got the buyers remorse, ie they can still travel but now don't want to take the risk for those people it's really tough luck (I appreciate this isn't you so I'm not directing this at you!)

BBC news:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-leicestershire-53569998

One woman said ‘I’m entitled to travel’. I think it’s these views that annoy people.

I honestly think someone’s comment pages back that “holidays are not a luxury” is worse than the OP. I mean, what the fuck kind of fantasy land do you live in that a HOLIDAY ABROAD is not a luxury? I have worked full time for years and never been able to afford one. It’s absolutely a luxury and you’re deluded to think otherwise.

@catsandlavender

I honestly think someone’s comment pages back that “holidays are not a luxury” is worse than the OP. I mean, what the fuck kind of fantasy land do you live in that a HOLIDAY ABROAD is not a luxury? I have worked full time for years and never been able to afford one. It’s absolutely a luxury and you’re deluded to think otherwise.

Couldn't put it better myself, next you'll see Crowdfunder pages for 'devastated' families who are using foodbanks because they can't go on their £5,000 holidays!!!!

@IloveJKRowling - how much of a hardship staying at home is really depends on what you do for a living and where you live. If, eg, you were an airport worker living in Crawley, near Gatwick airport, where the local economy would be devastated by everyone staying at home, you might consider everyone staying at home a colossal, home-losing, job-destroying, local area destroying prospect and thus a lot more immediate and real to you than the current risks of getting Covid 19 in the Balearic islands.