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Is anyone NOT sending their children to school in September?

163 replies

Greenbutterlfy566 · 22/07/2020 12:06

Is anyone NOT sending their children to school in September?

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AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 18:00

*you think

MrsA2015 · 22/07/2020 18:01

Won’t be Sending my DD who would’ve been starting reception, everything’s up in the air and I’m due to give birth on her first day back. Not worth the hassle!

PhilCornwall1 · 22/07/2020 18:15

@AldiAisleofCrap

I had five children in four years so they have dc their own age to play with. My teens are close and my baby doesn’t need same age playmates. Why would think our days are not structured? I will be taking the advice of my consultant as too when it’s safe.
I'm not saying days wouldn't be structured as such, but surely it's got to be better for a child to have friends and other children they see often, outside of the home environment.

I think for me I just couldn't comprehend keeping my youngest away from the school environment, he would really struggle and did until he started to see his friends and go out properly a couple of months ago.

The eldest, we couldn't/wouldn't make the decision to keep him off college. He is 18 and the decision is completely his and his alone.

AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 18:20

I'm not saying days wouldn't be structured as such, but surely it's got to be better for a child to have friends and other children they see often, outside of the home environment.
I agree , and I would much rather the dc were at school , they miss their friends and the activities.
However the reasons for me shielding is such high risk that my medical team do not feel it is safe.
The impact on my children if I was to catch Covid is not comparable with the negatives to missing school.

bigchris · 22/07/2020 18:22

@TheDrsDocMartens so neither of you need to work in September?

What about socialising with home schooling groups not running ?

Gatehouse77 · 22/07/2020 18:30

My only school age child will be going into Y13 and I’m fine about her going back.
DS is going back to Uni in London and, again, fine about it. He’s doing Chemistry and has already missed loads of labs and practical stuff.
That said, no particular (physical) health risks to concern us.

PhilCornwall1 · 22/07/2020 18:31

@AldiAisleofCrap

I'm not saying days wouldn't be structured as such, but surely it's got to be better for a child to have friends and other children they see often, outside of the home environment. I agree , and I would much rather the dc were at school , they miss their friends and the activities. However the reasons for me shielding is such high risk that my medical team do not feel it is safe. The impact on my children if I was to catch Covid is not comparable with the negatives to missing school.
I guess it's differing mindsets with all of this, which is no bad thing. The world would be a boring place if we were all the same.

I'm extremely high risk too, have been told the outcome would be, in their words "grave" if I got it, but the way I look at it is, my boys will have a longer life than me, so I'll take the risk, whatever happens.

OpheliasCrayon · 22/07/2020 18:35

[quote AldiAisleofCrap]@OpheliasCrayon I am shielding , my consultant told me as my dc are too young to social distance from me in our home it’s not safe for them to be in school.[/quote]
I was supposed to be shielding but decided not to for various reasons.

Tough decision but I appreciate why you'd keep them home. With 8 of them I'm sure they get plenty of interaction with other kids!

NotShiny · 22/07/2020 18:36

"12:5799victoria

If you decide not to send your children back in September you will have to de-register them as the government have made it quite clear that they are expecting all children to be back in school again and it will be a legal requirement for them to attend."

I'm sorry but that's not true. They will just show as absent, then a process will be put in place to work with parents. It's a long process in itself. You dont need to deregister at all.

NotShiny · 22/07/2020 18:38

I'm going to review nearer to the time. I believe the school is going to give us more info on how it will work and I'd like to see numbers of covid in my area nearer to the time before I make a decision. I'm erring on not sending them.

cantkeepawayforever · 22/07/2020 18:47

As a parent, I will be sending DD back to school in September.

As a teacher, I am not naive enough to think that this return to school will be long-lived for everyone. DD may be one of the lucky ones, in a year group that doesn't shut, in a school that doesn't shut, and in an area without a local lockdown. Again, if she is lucky, I will not get symptoms of any infection caught from my pupils, so she won't have to isolate as a family member. Fortune may favour her, if nobody on her packed school bus becomes infected.

If she isn't lucky, then at least a couple of weeks in school will be a useful boost before another period of home learning.

Again, as a teacher, I see my most critical roles in the first couple of weeks in September being a) to make referrals to all the appropriate health / social care agencies for the children who visibly and urgently require them, b) to train my new class in the distance learning tools they will need and c) to identify anyone who will lack the technology needed to access these, so I can arrange for it to be ready and waiting for them on the day the school or bubble closes.

Bupkis · 22/07/2020 19:23

@AldiAisleofCrap
Have you had a letter saying to shield after August 1st? Also, have the LEA said they need to see evidence that you're acting under medical advice?

AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 19:51

@Bupkis my government shielding letter says paused August 1st. I spoke to my consultant in a telephone app although I expect him to detail our conversation in a letter.
The LEA only want to see a copy of my original shielding letter as medical information is confidential.

AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 19:53

@Bupkis I did offer the shielding letter they didn’t request it. I got the impression they would not fine anyone with genuine concerns.

AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 19:55

@OpheliasCrayon With 8 of them I'm sure they get plenty of interaction with other kids! yes never a quiet moment. Grin

Bupkis · 22/07/2020 20:03

Thankyou @AldiAisleofCrap.
The last conversation we had with ds's paed, he said he should continue to shield, and he was sent a 3rd letter. Then the information came out about shielding being paused on August 1st. School have been in touch to say they expect ds in and we have been told we will be fined unless we have a letter from a medical professional specifying that ds should not go in in Sept.
I think maybe we'll contact LEA to get clarification on what will happen re fines, and then get in touch with ds's paed before the end of the holidays.

Such a fucking nightmare.

AlphaJura · 22/07/2020 20:14

I will be sending them back. They are all healthy, strong kids and I think we already had COVID-19 before lockdown. I had been happy for them to stay off from March until the end of the year. But realistically I can't keep them all home for much longer. They're 3 different ages 14, 12 and 2 and although my middle one gets on with schoolwork at home, my eldest had really struggled. He is ASD and has done next to nothing whilst off. I find it really hard to motivate him with a toddler to supervise, so he just hasn't done much. The toddler takes up all my time so home schooling isn't an option. My middle one has really missed her friends and that's affected her mood.

I feel my MH is starting to suffer now, even though I coped ok with lockdown at the start. My 2 year old hasn't been able to go back to nursery so I can't do anything for myself, or even work. I'm starting to feel drained with constantly running round trying to keep everything tidy and never getting a break. I just feel like I don't have enough time to get on top of things. I think it would be good for the toddler to do something different and have different people and activities at nursery. Of course, if the virus flares up in a big way and schools are advised to shut, I'll be prepared for that possibility.

Jenasaurus · 22/07/2020 20:34

@Holyrivolli

Counting down the days (as are they).

Can’t understand anyone who wouldn’t send them back unless someone in the immediate family is shielding and even then the evidence base does not support

Article below from Times today.

Scientists are yet to find a single confirmed case of a teacher catching coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, a leading epidemiologist has said.

Mark Woolhouse, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Edinburgh University, offered reassurance to staff preparing for the full reopening of schools next month.

Professor Woolhouse, a member of the UK government’s scientific advisory group, Sage, said that in hindsight closing schools in March was probably a mistake, but the limited role children play in spreading the virus only became clear further along the infection curve.

He said: “One thing we have learnt is that children are certainly, in the five to 15 brackets from school to early years, are minimally involved in the epidemiology of this virus.

“They are probably less susceptible and vanishingly unlikely to end up in hospital or to die from it.

“There is increasing evidence that they rarely transmit. For example, it is extremely difficult to find any instance anywhere in the world a single example of a child transmitting to a teacher in school. There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.

“There are certain environments where this virus transmits very well, and children are not present in these environments.”

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, announced schools would close in Scotland on March 18.

The announcement was the first sign of divergence from the four nations’ action plan, sparking tensions with some Conservative ministers accusing Ms Sturgeon of jumping the gun and backing Boris Johnson into a corner.

The prime minister announced UK school closures later that day, but Ms Sturgeon was henceforth locked out of decisions previously taken on a four-nations basis through Cobra, the UK government’s emergency planning committee, according to reports.

She was subsequently blindsided on several UK government announcements, including a decision to massively scale up testing in Scottish laboratories, and set up her own Covid-19 scientific advisory group at the end of March.

Professor Woolhouse said the knowledge that children do not widely transmit Covid-19 was “very hard won”.

He said: “We had to go into full lockdown while we accumulated this information.

“For example, most governments in Europe now recognise that stopping children playing outside was not needed, and most governments will probably now say that going to school as normal is safe. We can use that information in the future.

“It is also important to recognise that it has not become safe now, because the virus has changed. Those things were always safe but we didn’t know.

“These things were never essential as part of lockdown, although there are other things around that activity that you might worry about, but at their heart they weren’t necessary so we must use that information going forward.”

Gabriel Scally, of the epidemiology and public health section of the Royal Society of Medicine, said reopening schools should have been one of the priorities of lifting lockdown. He said: “I think it is a real indictment of our society that we can open pubs and nail bars but we can’t open schools.”

Schools are expected to return full-time with no social distancing on August 11. Unions have demanded protection measures for teachers. The Scottish government and education unions were contacted for comment.

Your comment regarding scientist not finding a single teacher infected with Covid fromt he children suprised me so I googled and sadly this came up. This was from Feb - April and the number is higher if you include TAs and school staff.

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-revealed-least-26-teachers-have-died-covid-19

Bignet182 · 22/07/2020 20:50

I won’t be.

labyrinthloafer · 22/07/2020 20:53

@Beebityboo

Seriously considering deregistering my three. The worry about sending them back is literally making me sick (have a disability that makes me vulnerable to Covid).

It will be devastating to have to do it because they are in fantastic schools and I was finally going back to uni in September which I'll have to give up on. I just don't see a choice.

If it was just the two younger ones then maybe but I have a DD in secondary who has to get a packed school bus 45m each way.

I really, really don't know what to do. Currently not sleeping due to worrying about it.

In your situation personally I wouldn't necessarilyderegister immediately, I might send a letter explaining and see what comes back?
AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 20:58

@Bupkis really sorry to read that, it’s even worse that it was your child that was shielding and not yourself. Definitely speak to the LEA, my dc school were not supportive at all. The LEA reassured me that it was them that issue fines and not the school and they would liaise with the school on our behalf.
Also write to your MP , I did and they had already spoken to the LEA before I rang.

TimeForLunch · 22/07/2020 20:58

Mine will certainly be going back. They are desperate to. One in primary and one secondary. My teenager has not set foot inside school since March. Children being off school for six months should never have been allowed to happen. I dread to think how this covid generation will end up paying for the response we've had to this virus. They deserve better and I sincerely hope they will get that in September.

AldiAisleofCrap · 22/07/2020 20:59

*is not was .

Beebityboo · 22/07/2020 21:08

@labyrinthloafer I'm going to try writing to my eldest DD's secondary school and see what they say. I'm praying they will be flexible for the first term back at least but know it's unlikely they can make an exception for DD and I without making an exception for everyone. They really helped us by taking DD from her first secondary where she was bullied to the point of being suicidal and I think it's the perfect school for her, but I feel currently that it is too much of a risk to send her back.

I'm not sure about the younger two, they go to a small primary practically next door to our house so don't think the risk is nearly as high there but who knows.

labyrinthloafer · 22/07/2020 21:17

I am completely and utterly undecided.

The school plans are bollocks and bubbles are meangless, might as well wear a rabbit's foot.

I haven't concerns about the home schooling side, it isn't my preference, but yes I do know what I'm doing.

People don't have to deregister on the very first day. Presumably both local and national.government would, really, rather people didn't deregister, as they prefer people inside the system.