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Is anyone NOT sending their children to school in September?

163 replies

Greenbutterlfy566 · 22/07/2020 12:06

Is anyone NOT sending their children to school in September?

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formerbabe · 22/07/2020 14:14

Absolutely sending them back! Is it wrong to be counting the weeks down?

Ha! Me too...they'll have been home for over five months by then...they can't wait to go back. Unless you're child is extremely high risk, I don't understand the reluctance. Flu and chicken pox run riot in schools and both can kill but we send children to school despite that.

Beebityboo · 22/07/2020 14:16

Eagerly following this thread looking for reassurance. I'm having a bad time with my mental health right now and I'm finding it so so difficult to know how much of a risk it will actually be to send them back.
I'd be devastated to deregister, I really would, but I'm just so bloody scared Sad.

GrishainDisguise · 22/07/2020 14:18

Mine (Y8) is absolutely going back. He cannot wait. Bought new uniform (growing very fast), all set. Then I can go back to work in the office when it opens.

Uhoh2020 · 22/07/2020 14:20

@Beebityboo the best people for you to speak to is the school hopefully they can put your mind at rest with the concerns you have

Holyrivolli · 22/07/2020 14:20

Counting down the days (as are they).

Can’t understand anyone who wouldn’t send them back unless someone in the immediate family is shielding and even then the evidence base does not support

Article below from Times today.

Scientists are yet to find a single confirmed case of a teacher catching coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, a leading epidemiologist has said.

Mark Woolhouse, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Edinburgh University, offered reassurance to staff preparing for the full reopening of schools next month.

Professor Woolhouse, a member of the UK government’s scientific advisory group, Sage, said that in hindsight closing schools in March was probably a mistake, but the limited role children play in spreading the virus only became clear further along the infection curve.

He said: “One thing we have learnt is that children are certainly, in the five to 15 brackets from school to early years, are minimally involved in the epidemiology of this virus.

“They are probably less susceptible and vanishingly unlikely to end up in hospital or to die from it.

“There is increasing evidence that they rarely transmit. For example, it is extremely difficult to find any instance anywhere in the world a single example of a child transmitting to a teacher in school. There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.

“There are certain environments where this virus transmits very well, and children are not present in these environments.”

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, announced schools would close in Scotland on March 18.

The announcement was the first sign of divergence from the four nations’ action plan, sparking tensions with some Conservative ministers accusing Ms Sturgeon of jumping the gun and backing Boris Johnson into a corner.

The prime minister announced UK school closures later that day, but Ms Sturgeon was henceforth locked out of decisions previously taken on a four-nations basis through Cobra, the UK government’s emergency planning committee, according to reports.

She was subsequently blindsided on several UK government announcements, including a decision to massively scale up testing in Scottish laboratories, and set up her own Covid-19 scientific advisory group at the end of March.

Professor Woolhouse said the knowledge that children do not widely transmit Covid-19 was “very hard won”.

He said: “We had to go into full lockdown while we accumulated this information.

“For example, most governments in Europe now recognise that stopping children playing outside was not needed, and most governments will probably now say that going to school as normal is safe. We can use that information in the future.

“It is also important to recognise that it has not become safe now, because the virus has changed. Those things were always safe but we didn’t know.

“These things were never essential as part of lockdown, although there are other things around that activity that you might worry about, but at their heart they weren’t necessary so we must use that information going forward.”

Gabriel Scally, of the epidemiology and public health section of the Royal Society of Medicine, said reopening schools should have been one of the priorities of lifting lockdown. He said: “I think it is a real indictment of our society that we can open pubs and nail bars but we can’t open schools.”

Schools are expected to return full-time with no social distancing on August 11. Unions have demanded protection measures for teachers. The Scottish government and education unions were contacted for comment.

Beebityboo · 22/07/2020 14:24

@Uhoh2020 I have and to be fair the schools have been amazing and supportive but I don't see how secondary schools in particular can be safe with the current guidelines as they are, for pupils or for staff Sad.

thismeansnothing · 22/07/2020 14:27

I will be sending 8year old DD back.

School seem to have most things in place. It's a small school primary. 6 classes and Just over 100kids. Each class bubble has a different start and finish time and assigned entrance/exit to school. Separate times to have their lunch. And staggered playtimes.

However what I don't get is that they claim each class as it's own bubble and won't mix. However DDs class has a part time teacher and in the afternoon half her class go into year 5 and half into year 3. Kind of defeats the object really.

RemyHadley · 22/07/2020 14:36

Should be going to year 1 and nursery - they both seem happy at home, we’re covering the basics, and I don’t want to send them in then find they’re constantly getting sent home for lockdowns/somebody in their bubble testing positive etc. Also my eldest is smart, doesn’t like school, and will definitely work out quickly that if he just coughs on purpose he’ll get sent home.

So it’s simpler for me to keep them at home rather than have all that disruption.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 22/07/2020 14:36

The bubble idea doesn’t make it safe imo. Still a class full of children, each having been exposed to different things due to their parents choices and then teachers etc in and out. That’s a whole lot of mixing.

Chocolate4me · 22/07/2020 14:38

Before anyone decides to de register their child, do contact your local authority and speak to them. They may be able to offer you to keep their school place and do work temporarily at home until vaccinations etc. My children will all be returning as the stats show children don't seem to get very poorly with it, and this could be around for years, so I feel ready to just try and live as normally as possible. If there were suddenly cases of children and teens becoming really poorly etc. Then I would reconsider. My kids have had enough of being at home 24/7 for months on end. I have home schooled 1 child before due to asd and he may come back out of school for that reason, but home educating from September would be totally opposite to the normal home schooling life we did before as we couldn't go to the same places that we did before the covid, which makes home schooling much more sociable and doable for us

sunseekin · 22/07/2020 14:46

I’m probably around 95% sure I’m not sending them. I would consider sending them now in a socially distanced class of 10 but not in September with a bubble (🤨) of 60. I’d rather keep them off and let those that need to attend have safer classrooms. It’s not perfect - but I think it’s our best compromise.

To all those losing sleep, I recommend deciding you’re not sending them if you’re not happy come September and making peace with the POSSIBILITY of deregistering. I sleep well now. BUT....

I really don’t think we will need to deregister - schools would lose funding and do ultimately understand.

We aren’t the occasional crack pot that the government is trying to make us feel like. Only 25% of year 1 went back at our school this term - I can’t believe that will be at 100% attendance in September.

I’m sure as we get nearer things will develop.

I can also imagine the government coming out and saying that school is always compulsory and fines are always a part of it, but that under the circumstances the global pandemic is a justifiable reason. This was their response last time, I don’t see that they’re going to have grounds to change it come September.

Schools care about students. They don’t want to lost people from the system. And they can’t afford to lose the funding that comes with students if this significant (silently, watching) minority (?) start to withdraw.

I may request the form from the LA - maybe all of us debating it should?! Requesting a form wouldn’t deregister you but it might start some alarm bells ringing!

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 22/07/2020 14:53

I’d like to see a test case if a fine is issued.

Workplaces have to be Covid secure and spot checks done yet schools will have no social distancing, no PPE etc.

Justgivemewine · 22/07/2020 14:53

as the stats show children don't seem to get very poorly with it,

but its not the children being poorly thats the problem, kit them passing it on the vulnerable parents/family etc

Having said that, dh and I are both vulnerable (but not high risk) so our dc will be going back because as people have said previously, they need to for the sake of their mental health.

MargotB7 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I have no choice, DS is starting his GCSE's and I can't home school him and he has no motivation to do it on his own.

TheGreatWave · 22/07/2020 14:58

Mine are going back, I am happy with the plans that both the schools have in place and they seem eager to have the children in and learning.

LadyCatStark · 22/07/2020 14:59

DS will 100% be going back, well not exactly back but to his new high school.

VashtaNerada · 22/07/2020 15:03

I’ve taught throughout all this and both my DC have been at school. It’s all been fine, I’m really looking forward to September!

Trackandtrace · 22/07/2020 15:15

Not decided yet as will see how numbers are come sept. But the school have said to update them in sept. Dotn get the feeling from the school that they will be fighting us if we dont send back straight away and the school is normally very strict on attendence.
But i think this will largely vary depending on the school and what the numbers are in sept. I suspect their will be schools being very strict on attendence.

Trackandtrace · 22/07/2020 15:23

@Holyrivolli

Counting down the days (as are they).

Can’t understand anyone who wouldn’t send them back unless someone in the immediate family is shielding and even then the evidence base does not support

Article below from Times today.

Scientists are yet to find a single confirmed case of a teacher catching coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, a leading epidemiologist has said.

Mark Woolhouse, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Edinburgh University, offered reassurance to staff preparing for the full reopening of schools next month.

Professor Woolhouse, a member of the UK government’s scientific advisory group, Sage, said that in hindsight closing schools in March was probably a mistake, but the limited role children play in spreading the virus only became clear further along the infection curve.

He said: “One thing we have learnt is that children are certainly, in the five to 15 brackets from school to early years, are minimally involved in the epidemiology of this virus.

“They are probably less susceptible and vanishingly unlikely to end up in hospital or to die from it.

“There is increasing evidence that they rarely transmit. For example, it is extremely difficult to find any instance anywhere in the world a single example of a child transmitting to a teacher in school. There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.

“There are certain environments where this virus transmits very well, and children are not present in these environments.”

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, announced schools would close in Scotland on March 18.

The announcement was the first sign of divergence from the four nations’ action plan, sparking tensions with some Conservative ministers accusing Ms Sturgeon of jumping the gun and backing Boris Johnson into a corner.

The prime minister announced UK school closures later that day, but Ms Sturgeon was henceforth locked out of decisions previously taken on a four-nations basis through Cobra, the UK government’s emergency planning committee, according to reports.

She was subsequently blindsided on several UK government announcements, including a decision to massively scale up testing in Scottish laboratories, and set up her own Covid-19 scientific advisory group at the end of March.

Professor Woolhouse said the knowledge that children do not widely transmit Covid-19 was “very hard won”.

He said: “We had to go into full lockdown while we accumulated this information.

“For example, most governments in Europe now recognise that stopping children playing outside was not needed, and most governments will probably now say that going to school as normal is safe. We can use that information in the future.

“It is also important to recognise that it has not become safe now, because the virus has changed. Those things were always safe but we didn’t know.

“These things were never essential as part of lockdown, although there are other things around that activity that you might worry about, but at their heart they weren’t necessary so we must use that information going forward.”

Gabriel Scally, of the epidemiology and public health section of the Royal Society of Medicine, said reopening schools should have been one of the priorities of lifting lockdown. He said: “I think it is a real indictment of our society that we can open pubs and nail bars but we can’t open schools.”

Schools are expected to return full-time with no social distancing on August 11. Unions have demanded protection measures for teachers. The Scottish government and education unions were contacted for comment.

I dont think this is true. There is certainly conflicting reports. In the 6 weeks from 1st june more than 93 schools in england had to close the school or bubbles in the school due to covid spread in the bubble/school.

Israel who opened schools in full have now clossed them due to evidence there showing that the major increase in infections was from in school transmission.

A study done in one america state (schools remained open) also showed that the spread was greatest in school aged children. 33% of school age population was infected in the state compared with 11% of non school age population.

So it isnt clear cut at all

Drivingdownthe101 · 22/07/2020 15:24

Mine went back in June for 6 weeks, and their year groups (y1 and reception) both had 95% of students return when they were able to. It was great, the kids all loved it, teachers were glad to have the children back and no children or teachers developed symptoms in the time they were back. Our school managed to get years 6, 1 and reception back full time plus years 2, 3, 4 and 5 back on a rota so every child got at least a week back in school.
Honestly it did them all the world of good.

Alex50 · 22/07/2020 15:29

@Beebityboo what are your concern returning your children to school in September? Are you worried about your children?

maxdash · 22/07/2020 15:32

We are doing though I kind of wish we weren't - DS has really enjoyed being at home and has taken really well to homeschooling. DD is also enjoying it, but she is very easy going so will adapt well to returning I think.
There are only 15 kids is DSs class and 16 in DD class so I am not too worried re COVID.

Ickabog · 22/07/2020 15:36

There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.

Scientists are yet to find a single confirmed case of a teacher catching coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, a leading epidemiologist has said.

Surely these 2 statements contradict one another...

Drivingdownthe101 · 22/07/2020 15:51

@Ickabog

There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.

Scientists are yet to find a single confirmed case of a teacher catching coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, a leading epidemiologist has said.

Surely these 2 statements contradict one another...

There may have been = not confirmed.
Ickabog · 22/07/2020 16:01

There may have been = not confirmed.

It was the way they said but it is incredibly rare. Something being incredibly rare makes it less common, but that's very different from saying it hasn't happened.

I appreciate it says may, so hasn't been confirmed, but surely proving the source of transmission in any environment is pretty much impossible.

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