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Schools Reopening?

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ClimbDad · 19/07/2020 09:00

A major, peer reviewed study into transmission in South Korea has established that tweens and teenagers spread the SARSCOV2 virus more than any other age group.

The study involved more than 65,000 people and used South Korea’s exceptionally effective contact tracing system to look at who brought the virus into households. Tweens and teenagers were the highest index case age group. Younger children transmitted at the same rate as 20-somethings.

This is a large scale, rigorous piece of research that proves children are effective at transmitting the virus. It was conducted in a country that implements strict social distancing and mask wearing among children. The authors say the rate of transmission would have been higher if children weren’t subjected to those measures.

Plans to reopen schools more or less as normal in September will place many lives at risk, and increase the likelihood schools will have to close again. The government needs to acknowledge schools will be highly efficient vectors of viral transmission and change its reopening plans.

Published Paper:
wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

Article on the paper:

www.bloombergquint.com/business/covid-19-spread-fastest-by-teens-and-tweens-korea-study-finds

OP posts:
openplankitchen · 20/07/2020 18:38

I would be very surprised if a teacher chose to quit if they couldn't afford to feed their kids in doing so.

However that is an option for us all.

I'd much prefer teachers dong quit. And I'm sure most won't

CallmeAngelina · 20/07/2020 18:39

[quote openplankitchen]@CallmeAngelina did you really not know? sAGE used behavioural science to scare us into complying. It's not a secret. Trouble is it worked too well![/quote]
Fuck me! Silly old us. You mean we should have been going out and about to football matches, raves, concerts, crowded bars and parties all along???!!! We've wrecked our economy and mental health all for nothing?
Damn!

DomDoesWotHeWants · 20/07/2020 18:39

@SmileEachDay

I’m finding the total inability to empathise with teachers gobsmacking, from posters who want to tell us exact what “must” happen.
I blame their teachers. Insufficiently educated. Wink
Beebityboo · 20/07/2020 18:39

Seriously considering giving up my university place for September and deregistering my three DC's. I've been a SAHM for a decade and really wanted to start to make a career for myself but I just feel completely terrified at the idea of sending my three DC's back, I don't financially have to, so should I? Socially and emotionally I know being back in school is the best thing for them but literally nothing is as important as their physical health (mine also as I'm vulnerable to Covid).
We've been so careful and I've said it before on this thread but the idea that September comes around and I have to put my 12yoDD on a packed school bus in a face mask just feels unthinkable.
I honestly feel borderline terrified about this autumn and winter. "I don't know what to do" has become a mantra.

CallmeAngelina · 20/07/2020 18:40

And I'm sure most won't

And as has become clear on this thread and others, you know Jack Shit.

Hercwasonaroll · 20/07/2020 18:40

I can’t believe you think it’s legitimate to send a symptomatic child into school risking a whole community if the alternative is perhaps needing universal credit.

Sending an actually symptomatic child in is different to being contacted by test and trace. Sending a symptomatic child in is clearly not OK and presumably would be picked up. I can see many parents sending in a child who has been contacted by track and trace because they may have been exposed. What happens if your child has been exposed and needs to isolate, you haven't? So work won't pay sick pay for you and you can't afford unpaid leave? Does universal credit cover unpaid leave?

Universal credit isn't easy to access. I waited over 5 weeks for a payment. Many households don't have that long. Yet if they apply now and are just over the threshold they will have to reapply should they need it.

TheHoneyBadger · 20/07/2020 18:40

Any lurkers on the fence about September note you have educated, articulate posters on here saying they’d send a symptomatic child into school. Make sure that factors in your risk assessment.

Just stunning

SmileEachDay · 20/07/2020 18:41

the government scare campaign

So all the governments, across the world, have got together and made some stuff up in a coordinated fashion in order to scare us? Because it’s not just happening in England, open.

Hercwasonaroll · 20/07/2020 18:42

@TheHoneyBadger Has anyone actually said they'd send a symptomatic child in?

@motherrunner Your school and situation are bonkers. I'm not saying they are right at all. Just saying I prefer a shorter lunch in non corona time.

noblegiraffe · 20/07/2020 18:43

I'd much prefer teachers dong quit

Better start campaigning for safer working conditions for us then.

SmileEachDay · 20/07/2020 18:44

I blame their teachers. Insufficiently educated

😂😂

TheHoneyBadger · 20/07/2020 18:44

Why are we arguing with a conspiracy theorist who thinks covid 19 is a false flag operation??

Oaktree55 · 20/07/2020 18:45

@SmileEachDay

I’m finding the total inability to empathise with teachers gobsmacking, from posters who want to tell us exact what “must” happen.
It's mind boggling. If you are a letting agent in the UK most need to wait 48 hours before they enter a property after a tenant vacates due to Covid Risk. What an earth has happened to society where we have no concern for those entrusted to educate the next generation. With the latest research on how Covid spreads it is truly incomprehensible really that we are proposing to open under these ridiculous guidelines?!
motherrunner · 20/07/2020 18:45

@Hercwasonaroll ‘bonkers’ is one word for it 😂 🤪

SmileEachDay · 20/07/2020 18:46

It’s a good point Honey.

Probs because we’re bored because we’ve spent lockdown drinking gin and actively working to further disadvantage the disadvantaged by being a bit shit. 🤷🏻‍♀️

TheHoneyBadger · 20/07/2020 18:46

It does make you wonder how much people hate their own kids

FrippEnos · 20/07/2020 18:48

openplankitchen

Its the schools must go back as normal arseholes advocates that are saying that people should leave their jobs.

Are you having trouble keeping up?

openplankitchen · 20/07/2020 18:49

@noblegiraffe the government has produced guidance for schools. Schools will implement guidance as possible. School staff and parents will consider their options (just like everyone else in the country). I fail to see what more can be done.

TheHoneyBadger · 20/07/2020 18:50

There’s 30 pages of suggestions on this thread that could help you with that failure to see kitchen

Hercwasonaroll · 20/07/2020 18:53

Honey I still can't see where anyone has advocated sending a symptomatic child in? Posts like that where you over exaggerate don't help.

Teachers are being thrown under the bus big time. I am one and agree the government measures aren't good enough. However I can't see many viable alternatives. Masks mean I wouldn't be able to teach (hearing impairment). Part time school isn't great for anyone. More handwashing and more funding would make people feel happier.

Beebityboo · 20/07/2020 18:54

@TheHoneyBadger

I don't think that's fair Sad. I just think lots of parents don't have a clue what to do for the best or how to change things in time. I want safe working conditions for teachers but I also am worried sick about the detrimental effects of keeping my DC's home from school for another six months. As I said "I don't know what to do" has become some kind of mantra because I just don't know what the answer is.

cantkeepawayforever · 20/07/2020 18:57

Openplan - the guidance could be useful, relevant and actually seek to control virus transmission between pupils and to staff, perhaps?

Money could be provided to schools to implement measures that control virus transmission e.g. money for cleaning and cleaners; sanitiser and soap; outside sinks; hire of additional toilet blocks.

A properly planned and implemented nationwide structure for part time home learning, including provision of equipment; universal access to decent internet; national plans and videoed lessons for every level (and every exam board) to be a backstop for schools to them build on.

Planned variation to next year's exam cycle to ensure next year's Y11 and Y13 aren't disadvantaged.

That's just off the top of my head?

openplankitchen · 20/07/2020 18:57

@Hercwasonaroll

Honey I still can't see where anyone has advocated sending a symptomatic child in? Posts like that where you over exaggerate don't help.

Teachers are being thrown under the bus big time. I am one and agree the government measures aren't good enough. However I can't see many viable alternatives. Masks mean I wouldn't be able to teach (hearing impairment). Part time school isn't great for anyone. More handwashing and more funding would make people feel happier.

There have been many exaggerated comments. Particularly directed at me. Apparently I'm a conspiracy theorist, want teachers to quit even if they can't feed their kids, I know Jack shit, I'm unemployed... the list goes on!

It's incredibly infantile and undermines the teaching profession sadly.

Hercwasonaroll · 20/07/2020 18:59

national plans and videoed lessons for every level (and every exam board) to be a backstop for schools to them build on.
Fairness Oak academy is pretty much doing this for a pretty cheap price.

The rest I agree with.

Internet is trickier in rural areas without the infrastructure. That would require LOTS of work and couldn't be done by Sept.

Letseatgrandma · 20/07/2020 19:00

What is your job, @openplankitchen? Did you ever answer that question?