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Boris announcement- November. Does he know something?

283 replies

Yetiyoga · 17/07/2020 23:24

Not sure if this has been suggested. We are supposed to find out next week about how successful the Oxford vaccine has gone aren't we? Do you think Boris Johnson knows the result and that is why he thinks we could be back to normal by November / Christmas? Or am I being naive/ too optimistic?
I just can't see 'normal' by Christmas as things are currently. And I'm fairly relaxed about it all.
I have a first niece / nephew due late October so it would mean the world to be able to meet them this year.

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ballsdeep · 19/07/2020 09:22

He reminds me of Donald trump.
He told everyone to go back to normal, now look at the state of america.

Clavinova · 19/07/2020 09:28

women are better leaders

Belgium have a female prime minister and the highest COVID mortality rate per capita.

Mumratheevergiving · 19/07/2020 10:14

Sunshinegirl end of the year is an outside possibility but it’s wishful thinking that Johnson’s ‘back to normal by November’ is based on a vaccine being rolled out by then. Hopefully other measures will continue to reduce the disease and they will have greater checks on those entering the country going forward.

As for Johnson, he won’t even say how many children he has from the multiple affairs he had during his marriage. He’s comfortable with deception, I don’t think we can expect him to be perfectly frank with the public!

Sunshinegirl82 · 19/07/2020 10:44

I make no comment on whether Johnson is tying his assessment to a potential vaccine or not. I don't know.

I'm simply pointing out that if anyone is going to have a vaccine rolled out by the end of the year it is the Oxford group. Principally because their previous work gave them a significant head start on the rest of the world.

frazzledasarock · 19/07/2020 10:46

Think he just wants to keep people thinking that they can have their normal Christmases.

Clavinova · 19/07/2020 10:59

As for Johnson, he won’t even say how many children he has from the multiple affairs he had during his marriage. He’s comfortable with deception, I don’t think we can expect him to be perfectly frank with the public!

Whereas Jeremy Corbyn's failed marriages [x 2] show the ability to navigate a crisis. Grin

FizzyGreenWater · 19/07/2020 11:06

Oh Clavinova come on! Stop making Tories look like desperate fools. Yes, I would think that choosing to end marriages that aren't working probably does show some ability to 'navigate a crisis' - if that were at all relevant to the point made, which is that Boris Johnson lies like a carpet all the time. He just DOES. Even the most diehard Tory knows and acknowledges that so what's the point in the desperate whataboutery?

Even worse now, Corbyn isn't leader any more, so still using him as the 'Look he's worse!!' figure... only highlights how stuffed the Tories are now that Starmer's in charge.

Come on then Clavs, let's hear how the CURRENT Labour leader is equally awful. Any secret children? Affairs? How many jobs has Starmer been sacked from for lying? Any recordings we have on him arranging for people to get beaten up?

Come on Ms/Mr Comparison, I can't hear you!

Clavinova · 19/07/2020 11:14

Boris Johnson lies like a carpet all the time. He just DOES. Even the most diehard Tory knows and acknowledges that

Nonsense.

Labour didn't choose Starmer as their preferred leader when it mattered. Also, Starmer has some very unhelpful policies on immigration - one of New Zealand's strengths in the pandemic is their tight control of immigration.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 19/07/2020 11:29

Isn’t the issue with giving the power to LA’s that the LA’s still aren’t really being given the data they need to make those decisions?

The pillar 1 testing is ok but the stuff the government outsourced is an absolute clusterfuck.

The closest the scientists could get to reassuring in front of the select committee was that it was better than last week.

Clavinova · 19/07/2020 11:47

Isn’t the issue with giving the power to LA’s that the LA’s still aren’t really being given the data they need to make those decisions?

Herefordshire Council 3rd July;

"Public Health England has published Pillar 2 COVID-19 testing data for Herefordshire up to 1 July 2020.This information will help Herefordshire Council to accurately track the local spread of the virus."

www.herefordshire.gov.uk/news/article/1010/herefordshire_pillar_2_covid-19_test_data_published

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 19/07/2020 11:59

This to me this is rather straightforward as I possibly naively perhaps just do what is right for I and family and friends. I am not being disingenuous as just my humble opinion.

All political "leaders" are crap and full of (select choice Mums Net acceptable adjective/description). No government nor political leadership have your own personal physical health and mental well being at heart. It's simply a medical health versus economic health balancing act as seemingly no nation have perfect scores on both counts.

Yes there is a ranking of relative Covid performance each with unique circumstances. Obviously we along with the likes of USA, Brazil, India, Russia and Mexico are currently at the bottom of the Covid "performance" league.

Governments and peoples of Hong Kong, Taiwan, New Zealand, Iceland, Finland, Israel and Germany among others have out performed most based on actual case fatalities, infection rates and overall containment and compulsory accurate and frequent test, track, trace and isolate policies plus the people in these nations tend to follow all sensible mitigation measures and don't prefer either herd immunity or are anti science.

We are still arguing about basic common sense personal Covid smart mitigation measures and so needing to implement criminal law (to stop "criminals") for mandatory noncompliance.

In this global pandemic we should (after half a year observing our outcomes) be able to find our best fit path to navigate through all the political spin and collectively do the right thing. We need to be more community and civic duty minded so we can all better protect each other and get the economy restarted as otherwise the consequences will be further excess deaths and economic depression worst in centuries.

How do we collectively restart and be safe? Well how about forgetting whether there will be any vaccine or cure as there is very very slim hope of anything effective and so if in doubt we all need to take more precautionary personal safety approach. Start to do all the previous stuff as much as practicably possible (within guidelines). We all need to be flexible and repurpose and rethink strategies and not be dependent on a political "leadership" which is proving at best confused and at times contradictory and worryingly no longer allowing scientists to be "equal" in decision making as it's now pivoted to economic health. It's basically taking the middle path between the precautionary scientific path and the more medically risk adverse economic path.

Above all else after 50k plus UK Covid excess deaths we should all put away any polarised politics and unite to fight the common humanity enemy. We have forthcoming hard WTO Brexshit with no nice fat juicy trade deals so need to optimise all possibilities!

Stay safe, work add value and spend if you can!

DebLou47 · 19/07/2020 13:56

@Clavinova I wouldn't bother trying to back the Tories you get shot down on here so I gave up but agree with everything you say

HarrietM87 · 19/07/2020 14:05

To the pp denying Boris is a liar...forget the hundreds of examples from his past. what happened to his freebie Caribbean holiday over Christmas where he was found to have lied about who the donor was? As far as I know he hasn’t been held to account for that and we still don’t know who funded it.

Defend him on other grounds sure, but the man is dishonest through and through.

UnholyStramash · 19/07/2020 14:13

I’ve been watching the clip someone gave on page 2, I think. Thanks for linking to it. Almost finished but not quite. Can anyone tell me who the third academic is? The one that’s dressed like an undertaker! I can’t catch his surname - professor Nick so Nicholas, sounds like Flynn but I’ve googled and can’t find any UK academic with that name. He doesn’t appear on SAGE membership lists either. Can anyone help me with his surname please? Also, who is the Lord who’s chairing the session? Lord John I think they’re saying. If I knew the name of the committee that would doubtless help to identify them all.

jasjas1973 · 19/07/2020 14:14

Labour didn't choose Starmer as their preferred leader when it mattered. Also, Starmer has some very unhelpful policies on immigration - one of New Zealand's strengths in the pandemic is their tight control of immigration

Did Starmer stand in 2015?
Labours immigration policy is neither here nor there, when we needed to lockdown and have travel quarantines in Feb and March, Johnson was sadly lacking & allowing in up to 2.9m Hong kong chinese is not exactly helpful is it?

Though Belgium may have the highest death rate, the UK is just behind them.... hardly a ringing endorsement of Johnson's handling of CV-19.
1000s of new daily infections too.
Why not compare the UK to the world's best?

Mumratheevergiving · 19/07/2020 14:38

Clavinova -Whereas Jeremy Corbyn's failed marriages [x 2] show the ability to navigate a crisis. grin
What on earth has this got to do with the Government’s handling of the pandemic and plan for Autumn 2020? Hmm what terminology would the Cabinet use ...‘Move on’Grin

BoxAndKnife · 19/07/2020 14:48

@Clavinova

As for Johnson, he won’t even say how many children he has from the multiple affairs he had during his marriage. He’s comfortable with deception, I don’t think we can expect him to be perfectly frank with the public!

Whereas Jeremy Corbyn's failed marriages [x 2] show the ability to navigate a crisis. Grin

Oh god, even by your low standards, that's desperado stuff, Clav.

Jeremy Corbyn isn't Labour leader, and certainly isn't anywhere a prime ministership. Do try and keep up, love.

BoxAndKnife · 19/07/2020 14:49

*anywhere near Hmm

Mumratheevergiving · 19/07/2020 15:15

FizzyGreenWater Boris Johnson lies like a carpet all the time. He just DOES. Even the most diehard Tory knows and acknowledges that

Clavinova -Nonsense.

Just a reminder he's been sacked from his first jobs as a journalist for lying. Within the Conservative party he was given two jobs in 2003 - party vice-chairman and shadow arts minister which he was sacked from in 2004 for lying about one of his extra-marital affairs.
The last outright lie I can recall was 2months ago when he lied that Cummings had not left his parents estate then the next day Cummings went on to recount the barmy Barnard Castle eye test trip. Johnson undoubtedly has form for lying.

But this is all derailing from the central thread which is about vaccine readiness and the Government's Autumn / Christmas policy timeframe.

UnholyStramash · 19/07/2020 15:59

I’ve managed to answer my own questions. Professor Nick Phin not Flynn is an academic attached to PHE. Has long experience in infectious diseases surveillance and control. The committee is House of Lords (obviously) Science and Technology and the chair is Lord Patel (John). The rest of its membership is available online if anyone else is interested. I recognised a couple of them but not many TBH. It was a very interesting discussion- I’m glad I watched it all. Smile

labyrinthloafer · 19/07/2020 16:24

[quote DebLou47]@Clavinova I wouldn't bother trying to back the Tories you get shot down on here so I gave up but agree with everything you say [/quote]
No one who supports the PM or his party generally ever explains how they handled the pandemic well - and I think that is because they haven't handled it well. Even Conservative MPs do not think it has been well handled.

Clavinova · 19/07/2020 17:40

BoxAndKnife
Do try and keep up, love.

Unfortunate for the Labour Party that they backed the wrong candidate right up until the 2019 General Election.

Mumratheevergiving
The last outright lie I can recall was 2 months ago when he lied that Cummings had not left his parents estate then the next day Cummings went on to recount the barmy Barnard Castle eye test trip.

Was that before or after Dominic Cummings told him about the Barnard Castle trip?

I could only find this, 24th May - The Independent;
"Mr Johnson failed to directly address the reports about Mr Cummings’ alleged trip to Barnard Castle and failed to explicitly deny the trip happened."

Hmm what terminology would the Cabinet use...‘Move on’

Says the poster recounting Boris Johnson's first job in 1988. Grin

jasjas1973
Why not compare the UK to the world's best?

Indeed - Keir Starmer frequently refers to South Korea's track and trace policy - without actually saying what he would like us to copy;

"South Korea is also enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease."

You wouldn't think he specialised in human rights law.

DebLou47 · 19/07/2020 17:42

@labyrinthloafer I know a lot of people that support him so no not everyone is off that opinion what do you speak for everyone ?

labyrinthloafer · 19/07/2020 17:55

[quote DebLou47]@labyrinthloafer I know a lot of people that support him so no not everyone is off that opinion what do you speak for everyone ? [/quote]
I don't understand your point, I'm not sure how it relates to what I said.

It is very nice for the PM that you and the people you know support him, but given members of his own parliamentary party thinks he has really messed up it is not surprising that a lot of people are critical.

I do hear people say they support Johnson - but they don't give much detail about why, or what policies, or how he is making things better in this country. Whereas those criticising the UK pandemic response have a lot of detailed reasons.

Mumratheevergiving · 19/07/2020 18:27

Clavinova - why are you trying to turn this into a party political debate by throwing in comments about Labour?

The reason Johnson's history of lies is important (and I would say being sacked for lying is very important and not something that most people have experienced) is because he is the current Prime Minister.

Like other posters it would be much more instructive and relevant to the thread to hear why you think the pandemic has been handled well by this Government thus far and your thoughts on their ongoing strategy?