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To those that don't want to wear a mask...

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Iamchangingmyusername · 16/07/2020 15:37

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people annoyed that they have to wear a mask in public.

Aside from those with a legitimate medical reason, why are some people so anti mask?

Genuinely curious. I have had to travel to and from work throughout lockdown and the introduction of masks on public transport made me feel somewhat safer. Noticing less and less people wearing them, or wearing them as a decorative chin strap.

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TheGreatWave · 17/07/2020 09:33

Lockdown was effective to prevent the spread of covid.

The additional negative consequences are irrelevant I guess.

onedayinthefuture · 17/07/2020 09:59

Because the government have no right to tell anyone what they can and can't wear. The only reason they are doing this now is because they want us out there spending money in the shops because they feel public confidence will increase that way. It has absolutely nothing to do with keeping people 'safe' (what is safe anyway).

ChavvySexPond · 17/07/2020 10:00

^Lockdown was effective to prevent the spread of covid.

The additional negative consequences are irrelevant I guess.^^
^
Of course not. Why on earth would you say that?

Lockdown was the last option left when the government had failed to take action to control the virus in January, February, or most of March.

The alternative to lockdown is primarily a functional test and trace system but also social distancing and... Masks.

MRex · 17/07/2020 10:03

If someone doesn't like masks or has a good reason why they can't wear one, I don't understand why they can't just do shopping online, or ask a friend to help out, or wear a visor. Wouldn't it just make more sense for those affected to stay out of shops so that everyone else can use them including those vulnerable to covid?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 17/07/2020 10:05

MRex well the same reason the vulnerable can’t stay inside and order online, people are social
Beings and for mental health need to venture outside their homes.

ButterMeCrumpets · 17/07/2020 10:06

@MRex

If someone doesn't like masks or has a good reason why they can't wear one, I don't understand why they can't just do shopping online, or ask a friend to help out, or wear a visor. Wouldn't it just make more sense for those affected to stay out of shops so that everyone else can use them including those vulnerable to covid?
That's what most of us are saying. That we will avoid shops. But that isn't enough, apparently we should be enjoying them AND still going out and spending money for the high street.
IntrovertedUnicorn · 17/07/2020 10:08

@TheLegendOfZelda, the difference between masks and measles vaccines is that enough people vaccinate of their own accord, so making vaccinations compulsory is unnecessary. As you know, it doesn't mean that people don't get suck from it, or experience complications. It just means that more people are protected.

The voluntary uptake of masks is embarrassingly low in this country, at about 25-30% as opposed to the uptake of 81%, which is still causing a lot of concern amongst medical professionals. The low uptake of masks is due to people thinking that they can't get sick because they're healthy, and not being aware or concerned that they can readily pass it on via asymptomatic transmission. They're not vulnerable, so they'll be fine. It's a sociological process called "othering", and it's been well documented with previous pandemics, such as SARS and H1N1.

The opening of pubs and restaurants is, as far as I'm concerned, the wrong decision right now. Our infection rates are still far too high, and it is clear that was a political and economic decision that has clearly diluted the important public health messages that doctors, virologists, and other members of the scientific community have been working hard to get across.

Itsarattrap · 17/07/2020 10:09

Don’t actively enjoy wearing one but it’s not so bad. I wear one because I don’t want to unwittingly infect anyone else. If everyone who can does, we help to protect each other, especially the more vulnerable who can’t tolerate a mask.

Society is priority to me, more so than any theoretical infringement of my personal civil liberties, because it’s not all about me or any other individual. We need a massive, collective effort to come out the other side with as few prematurely lost lives as possible.

sleepingpup · 17/07/2020 10:19

That's what most of us are saying. That we will avoid shops. But that isn't enough, apparently we should be enjoying them AND still going out and spending money for the high street.

Really🙄. Just wear the masks in shops is all. ( if you Can )

They're not very "enjoyable" but you do get used to them.

OutwardBound2016 · 17/07/2020 10:32

@ sleepingpup why do we need to go to shops at all? Surely choosing not to go to shops (Shopping online) instead of making an unnecessary trip is more socially responsible than going and wearing a mask?

firstimemamma · 17/07/2020 10:33

My first time on the train in ages today (I wore a face covering) and none of the mask wearers socially distanced - the carriage was almost empty yet bizarrely they chose not to spread out. I know they weren't all from the same household because they were saying stuff like "well it was nice to have met u today" as they got off.

I'm not an 'anti-masker' but I'm anti the school of thought that they make u invincible and above other rules!

TheLegendOfZelda · 17/07/2020 10:36

[quote IntrovertedUnicorn]@TheLegendOfZelda, the difference between masks and measles vaccines is that enough people vaccinate of their own accord, so making vaccinations compulsory is unnecessary. As you know, it doesn't mean that people don't get suck from it, or experience complications. It just means that more people are protected.

The voluntary uptake of masks is embarrassingly low in this country, at about 25-30% as opposed to the uptake of 81%, which is still causing a lot of concern amongst medical professionals. The low uptake of masks is due to people thinking that they can't get sick because they're healthy, and not being aware or concerned that they can readily pass it on via asymptomatic transmission. They're not vulnerable, so they'll be fine. It's a sociological process called "othering", and it's been well documented with previous pandemics, such as SARS and H1N1.

The opening of pubs and restaurants is, as far as I'm concerned, the wrong decision right now. Our infection rates are still far too high, and it is clear that was a political and economic decision that has clearly diluted the important public health messages that doctors, virologists, and other members of the scientific community have been working hard to get across.[/quote]
Well I disagree on that. Education is better than enforcement. Until very very recently our own government was telling everyone that masks didn't work, but now they want people to go shopping, masks are apparently necessary. But not in pubs or schools. Because ... clever virus. So the public reluctance with masks is partly due to government messaging. Then if the government case now is that face coverings protect other people but not you ..seriously ..why would you bother if you are young, fit and healthy? This virus kills the old, the frail and the sick. Sure, it occasionally affects the young and fit ..but if you are expecting a sudden cultural shift to protecting others not yourself ..good luck with that too. What would protect us? Proper masks, worn properly, indoors. So ...how come not that message? How come it's .. ooh wrap a scarf round your face while spending money in retail when the virus threat is incredibly low. How come not earlier and how come only in shops?
Face it. It's a shit message. It's illogical. Wrong time as well. Can't be enforced anyway so why not just go for education? Because the evidence isn't there and it's illogical as an argument that schools and cafes don't require masks and shops do. Now. When the community spread is tiny. But not before.

Vaccinations - it's exactly the same. Mass vaccinations provide herd immunity. Most people don't get ill from measles. Some do. We vaccinate because we have been educated to protect our own children, although really it protects those who can't be vaccinated the most. Does the government make it mandatory? No. Should they? If so, why don't they?

This 'face covering' law is pathetic performance art to get the masses back out shopping.

sleepingpup · 17/07/2020 10:50

@ sleepingpup why do we need to go to shops at all? Surely choosing not to go to shops (Shopping online) instead of making an unnecessary trip is more socially responsible than going and wearing a mask?

My DM and MiL enjoy going to the shops. One is not online. Going in a mask is a socially responsible way for them to do it.

If people avoid shops. because of mask wearing so be it. Their choice. And It will protect vulnerable shoppers who do want to go.

But given our high street needs supporting I think there IS a middle ground where you can help reduce transmission and support the economy which has been so damaged. My local high st was a god send during lockdown when we didn't want to go to a supermarket and couldn't get deliveries. I will be supporting them. 😷

TheLegendOfZelda · 17/07/2020 10:53

@sleepingpup

@ sleepingpup why do we need to go to shops at all? Surely choosing not to go to shops (Shopping online) instead of making an unnecessary trip is more socially responsible than going and wearing a mask?

My DM and MiL enjoy going to the shops. One is not online. Going in a mask is a socially responsible way for them to do it.

If people avoid shops. because of mask wearing so be it. Their choice. And It will protect vulnerable shoppers who do want to go.

But given our high street needs supporting I think there IS a middle ground where you can help reduce transmission and support the economy which has been so damaged. My local high st was a god send during lockdown when we didn't want to go to a supermarket and couldn't get deliveries. I will be supporting them. 😷

I am absolutely not supporting them. Let them rely on the mask wearers for their custom. I'm not interested. It was awful when they re-opened - tannoy warnings, stickers everywhere. Yeah whatever .. if they can't try to make shopping pleasurable and think a Communist Russia circa 1970 approach is the way forward, good luck to them. I'll stick with online.
sleepingpup · 17/07/2020 10:59

What would protect us? Proper masks, worn properly, indoors.

@TheLegendOfZelda

will you be wearing ?

Agree the gov. have handled this like shit.

OutwardBound2016 · 17/07/2020 11:03

@sleepingpup, of course if you are not online or if shopping is a leisure activity and wearing a mask does not impede your enjoyment absolutely go ahead. However, it does not mean that everyone will feel the same way and that many people will choose to spend their leisure time in places that do not (currently) necessitate masks this fact seems to escape most of MN (some of which are the same people who were screaming at people to stay home whatever cost a few weeks ago)

firstimemamma · 17/07/2020 11:03

It's not the masks themselves I specifically don't like. It's the fact that the are so many inconsistencies that just don't stack up.

I'm currently sat on an entirely deserted train wearing a face covering while my sahm friend has just dropped her 2 year old off at nursery, where she will be mingling with a large group of other toddlers. It doesn't make sense!

HepzibahGreen · 17/07/2020 11:08

I have worn a mask in the packed supermarket for months, even though I hate it. That was during lockdown.
I will continue to do that.
However, now that other shops and businesses are open, but with all the screens, one way systems, compulsory masks etc I just don't want to go anywhere or do anything. I want to visit family on the train but I just can't wear a price of cloth over my mouth for 3+ hours, not being able to enjoy the journey, it just feels horrible.
I think many people just won't "go out and spend money to get the economy going again" for similar reasons, which worries me, especially having a lot of family in hospitality.

It's been 4 months of real hardship for a LOT of people. Not everyone has a garden, or a secure job, or a car. The compulsory masks thing has made me feel just depressed, like nothing is ever going to go back to normal. What is the end date for this even?? When we are all vaccinated against Covid?
I think the people who are saying "what's the big deal, it's just a bit of fabric" possibly are somehow enjoying the weirdness?
We might have to do it, but nobody has to do it gladly.

sleepingpup · 17/07/2020 11:09

It was awful when they re-opened - tannoy warnings, stickers everywhere. Yeah whatever .. if they can't try to make shopping pleasurable and think a Communist Russia circa 1970 approach is the way forward, good luck to them. I'll stick with online.

Really. No tannoys etc in my local butcher etc.

Internet was already killing the shops. It has risen to the fore now in terms of convenience. I think there will even more evolution. After all it's early days "post" pandemic.

sleepingpup · 17/07/2020 11:10

i should say "post lockdown.

sleepingpup · 17/07/2020 11:16

What is the end date for this even?? When we are all vaccinated against Covid?

If only we knew.

DontDoItGeorge · 17/07/2020 11:56

What I'm trying to say (not very well it would seem) is that surely it's better to wear a mask for an hour in the shops then to catch, or give a loved one (or a stranger) coronavirus and end up on a ventilator, for the sake of wearing a mask for a few minutes?

ChavvySexPond · 17/07/2020 12:09

Boris says over by Christmas. I'm not sure he specified what year.

ChavvySexPond · 17/07/2020 12:20

One of the things I like about the mandatory introduction of masks is that it shares out some of the social responsibility.

Some people said Covid wasn't their problem, and that we should just shut the millions of vulnerable away indefinitely so that they themselves didn't have to adapt and could just carry on as they always have.

This is obviously neither practical, humane or fair.

And now we're all in it together to a greater degree which hopefully will motivate us to defeat Covid rather than deny its impact.

HepzibahGreen · 17/07/2020 12:26

surely it's better to wear a mask for an hour in the shops then to catch, or give a loved one (or a stranger) coronavirus and end up on a ventilator, for the sake of wearing a mask for a few minutes?

Well yeah, given the choice between those two things..
But mask wearing isn't a few minutes for a lot of things- travel, clothes shopping etc.
A pp upthread said that she was told she is going to have to wear a mask for her whole shift in a shop.
I don't think anyone is saying don't wear a mask, but people (me included) will avoid doing normal things if we can, because it's not remotely normal.

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