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To those that don't want to wear a mask...

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Iamchangingmyusername · 16/07/2020 15:37

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people annoyed that they have to wear a mask in public.

Aside from those with a legitimate medical reason, why are some people so anti mask?

Genuinely curious. I have had to travel to and from work throughout lockdown and the introduction of masks on public transport made me feel somewhat safer. Noticing less and less people wearing them, or wearing them as a decorative chin strap.

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BlackPetunia · 25/07/2020 00:21

@NeverFit I have masks to give out free....and some on sale. Take up was high on that today

@Derbygerbil attitude? About what.....enforcing the law?

Derbygerbil · 25/07/2020 00:29

@BlackPetunia

Because you’re not doing what they’re doing. Irrespective of the law, people won’t like that - human nature.

BlackPetunia · 25/07/2020 00:37

Yeah well they are only required to wear it whilst I store....20-30 mins

It’s a stuffy store no air con and there 10 hours 5 days a week doing physical work

But actually, why are retail workers exempt.....Boris didn’t say,but there will be a reason for it

BlackPetunia · 25/07/2020 00:39

Looking at my Fitbit stats today 160 active mins, 8.4 miles covered is it healthy to wear a face covering ...and today was a bit less active than normal

Popc0rn · 25/07/2020 16:54

@BlackPetunia

"But actually, why are retail workers exempt.....Boris didn’t say,but there will be a reason for it"

Seems to depend on the employers risk assessment, and if they can use other things like screens. Personally I'd want a face shield if I was working in a shop.

"Looking at my Fitbit stats today 160 active mins, 8.4 miles covered is it healthy to wear a face covering ...and today was a bit less active than normal"

I've worn a surgical mask for 12 hour shifts, usually walk about 8 - 12 miles in a shift. It's not too bad as I'm used to it now. I did get a sore throat from wearing them to start with, but not sure if that's cos they were like 10 years out of date to start with Confused. For a ffp3 we have a break to take them off every 4 hours as they are very tight fitting and can cause the skin on your nose to break down.

To those that don't want to wear a mask...
To those that don't want to wear a mask...
Madhairday · 25/07/2020 17:00

@helenadove I feel like this will be the latest in ableist attacks. It's so scary.
I've ordered a mask and tried it, I could wear it for very few minutes walking around on the flat. I could manage to wear it up the stairs (severe lung disease). I am really scared about going out when shielding ends because of the attitudes of some around all this :(

Madhairday · 25/07/2020 17:01

That should say couldn't manage it up the stairs, I ran out of oxygen really quickly :(

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 17:14

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-fears-over-face-covering-hate-crime-as-new-laws-go-live/

Coronavirus: Fears over ‘face covering hate crime’ as new laws go live
By John Pring on 23rd July 2020
Category: Crime

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Disabled people have raised serious concerns about the rising tide of coronavirus-related disability hate crime, amid fears that this could increase even further when new laws on the wearing of face coverings go live tomorrow.

From tomorrow (Friday), it will be compulsory to wear a face covering in shops and supermarkets in England.

Many disabled people are exempt, the government has made clear.

But despite those exemptions, many disabled people who cannot wear face coverings have already been subjected to disability-related hostility online and while travelling on public transport, where it is already compulsory – except for those with exemptions – to wear a face covering.

Stephen Brookes, a former coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network and now an ambassador for Disability Rights UK, has written to key figures in government, the police, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and disability organisations about his concerns on “mask hostility”.

He says in his letter: “In my 12 years of dealing with disability hate crime up to June 2018, it was clear that abuse of disabled people has always been problematic at times of tension, but we are now in uncharted territory, which is supported by examples we are seeing at all levels.”

Brookes (pictured, left), who is also the minister for disabled people’s rail sector champion, although he was not speaking in that capacity, added: “We must both re-assure and support disabled people in terms of real hostility and remind perpetrators that verbal abuse can still be recognised as a potential hate crime and as such will not be tolerated.

“Can we all take stock and ensure that disabled people are not bullied out of any normal life we should be able to expect, and remind the public and those who affect our lives that the added pressure of fear should not be added to an already difficult situation.”

He has also now raised concerns about comments made during a radio interview yesterday (Wednesday) by the Metropolitan police’s commissioner, Cressida Dick.

Asked about customers who were refusing to wear masks in shops, she told LBC: “My hope is that the vast majority of people will comply, and that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”

Brookes said: “This statement by Met chief Cressida Dick is most seriously unhelpful, and potentially could lead to hostility and hate crime against those who can’t wear face masks.

“She needs to change and clarify that view most urgently.”

Last week, Fazilet Hadi (pictured, centre), head of policy for Disability Rights UK, called on the government to recognise the need for “balanced messaging” on face coverings, including “that some disabled people cannot wear face coverings and that this should be respected”.

She told the minister for disabled people, Justin Tomlinson, in a letter: “If the messaging doesn’t change, millions of disabled people will not be able to safely leave their homes.

“For those of us that do, we will experience fear, anxiety, possible conflict with public and police and demands to prove our impairment/illness.”

Inclusion London is the lead organisation for the London DDPO Hate Crime Partnership, working with 20 Deaf and disabled people’s organisations (DDPOs) across the capital.

During the coronavirus crisis, it has been running a weekly survey of DDPOs that run hate crime advocacy services on the incidence and types of hate crime disabled people have experienced during lockdown, and now it is being eased.

Its latest weekly survey found 62 per cent of DDPOs reported an increase in disability hate crime referrals on the previous week.

Among the trends, Inclusion London has seen a rise in disability hate crime by neighbours of disabled people, and an increase in cases of disabled people being spat at while out in public because of the mistaken idea that disabled people are “virus spreaders”.

There has also been an increase in online hate crime, with disabled people “told that their lives are inferior and [that they] are taking up resources from non-disabled people”.

Disabled people have also reported being targeted while shopping if they have personal assistants or carers with them or if they need priority in shopping queues.

Inclusion London said: “Disability hate crime during the coronavirus pandemic has not come from nowhere – the image of disabled people as virus spreaders and taking resources from non-disabled people must be tackled.”

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Another to have become concerned about online disability hate crime is disabled campaigner Victoria Langley.

She said she had been told on social media that disabled people like her should be locked inside until there was a vaccine because they “are more likely to catch it and pass it on”.

One nurse told her on Instagram that all those not wearing masks should be forced to sign away their rights to health equipment and treatment by health professionals who are “risking their lives because of you”.

Another woman told her on Instagram: “Trees are awesome and worth sobbing over.

“Bus drivers getting killed because they’re doing their job are worth sobbing over, people who don’t wear a mask because they are disabled, not worth sobbing for.

“I looked at your profile, you seemed fine???”

Langley said she found the widespread hostile comments on social media “scary” as a disabled person.

She said: “It’s made me petrified to go out.

“I’m scared to go out because people are not just being hostile, they do not care that being disabled makes it hard.

“I feel totally scared and boxed in with zero support.

“The government are ending all support and saying go out, but the general public want us locked in. I feel helpless and scared.”

Disabled researcher, author and campaigner David Wilkin (pictured, right) has been collecting examples of disabled people who have been subjected to disability-related hostility linked to the government’s COVID-19 regulations.

Wilkin, the lead coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network, has already collected more than 50 such cases.

One disabled passenger on public transport, who cannot wear a face covering, was targeted by another passenger, who shouted: “This person hasn’t got a mask. This person is trying to infect us. They are trying to kill us.”

A disabled train passenger who did not have a face mask because of breathing difficulties was confronted by another passenger, who refused to listen to their explanation, took a spare mask out of their pocket and forced them to put it on.

Wilkin said: “They were under so much pressure that they put the face mask on and left the train.

“They felt that was the only way to placate the offender.”

Wilkin said he was concerned there would be further cases when the ban in shops and supermarkets comes into force tomorrow.

He said: “It’s definitely a concern. It’s bad enough to be grounded because you don’t want to use public transport, but you have to eat.

“The general concern is that the government, while they have delivered clear messages about face coverings… are not making the same number of messages about the exemptions.

“That is causing real problems.”

But he said he believed the government and public bodies were listening, as he has online meetings next week with both the Cabinet Office and CPS.

A CPS spokesperson told Disability News Service (DNS): “The law exempts those who cannot put on or wear a face covering because of physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability while using public transport.

“The same exemption will apply when face coverings become mandatory in shops.

“Our updated guidance to prosecutors will make this clear.

“If disabled people are victims of hate crime as a result then the CPS won’t hesitate to prosecute perpetrators if our legal test is met.”

Deputy chief constable Mark Hamilton, hate crime lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council, told DNS in a statement: “We understand that many disabled people, and particularly those with ‘hidden’ disabilities, could be worried about being challenged by others if they are not wearing face coverings in a setting that requires it.

“Government guidelines set out a number of exemptions to the wearing of masks, including on grounds of disability.

“Some external organisations have developed ways to indicate that an individual is exempt, such as wearing badges.

“The government and the police have developed extensive guidance on these requirements, and police officers across the country have received training on how to recognise where an individual may have an exemption due to disability.”

He added: “Any disabled person who is victim of hate crime should report it to the police by either calling 999 (in an emergency) or 101.

“Additionally, you can report crime online at True Vision (report-it.org.uk). True Vision also contains helpful information and guidance materials on disability hate crime and COVID-19

BlackPetunia · 25/07/2020 18:26

We have the visors too but not sure if they will last long as they keep coming loose

We should have had masks from when we re opened.

Madhairday · 25/07/2020 18:44

Very worrying, Helena :(

NeverFit · 27/07/2020 20:43

@HelenaDove

It may be helpful to just post links to the articles rather than post the information in full here and on a lot of other threads.

Usually I will persevere and read most posts, but I'm sorry I had to give up part way.

Sennetti · 27/07/2020 20:46

yeah i gave up too, sorry

HeIenaDove · 28/07/2020 00:03

@BlackPetunia DH used a visor today but found the wind blew in underneath it while on his mobility scooter so he had to hold it with one hand while steering his scooter.

LillianBland · 29/07/2020 11:48

[quote HeIenaDove]@BlackPetunia DH used a visor today but found the wind blew in underneath it while on his mobility scooter so he had to hold it with one hand while steering his scooter.[/quote]
Was he wearing it outdoors? I thought you only as to wear it inside shops.

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