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To those that don't want to wear a mask...

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Iamchangingmyusername · 16/07/2020 15:37

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people annoyed that they have to wear a mask in public.

Aside from those with a legitimate medical reason, why are some people so anti mask?

Genuinely curious. I have had to travel to and from work throughout lockdown and the introduction of masks on public transport made me feel somewhat safer. Noticing less and less people wearing them, or wearing them as a decorative chin strap.

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Maggie90 · 16/07/2020 21:49

@DappledThings sorry, I was referring to why people haven’t been wearing masks.

This is the first reply to mask thread. I have read so many I just skimmed the op. My mistake, I will bow out and will copy and paste to an anti mask thread instead (or not).

InFiveMins · 16/07/2020 21:52

@LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus

Because it is controlling of the government to enforce this, I believe I have the right to have my face exposed at all times, because I accept the risk of coronavirus and I refuse to live in fear, and because I believe I am at low risk of the illness as I actively try to be healthy.
This! Couldn't agree more - if I catch it, I catch it.
openplankitchen · 16/07/2020 22:13

I'm forced to wear a mask all day at work. Even on covid negative wards. On corridors. Change between wards. So unnecessary to have been introduced now. So much waste it's awful. Car park littered with masks. Bins full of them. Even in nhs compliance is pretty low.

They are hot and uncomfortable and encourage me to fiddle/touch my face. Putting me at a higher risk of covid. Cangg tv communicate properly. Can't talk on phone.

No way would I chose to go out shopping etc for fun wearing one in my leisure time. I'll do other things/shop online. Big won't wear a mask

AfterSchoolWorry · 16/07/2020 22:32

@LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus

Because it is controlling of the government to enforce this, I believe I have the right to have my face exposed at all times, because I accept the risk of coronavirus and I refuse to live in fear, and because I believe I am at low risk of the illness as I actively try to be healthy.
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Derbygerbil · 16/07/2020 22:40

@InFiveMins
@LabiaMinoraPissusFlapus

Wearing mask isn’t about your risk and whether you feel comfortable with getting it...

It’s about helping to stop you being part of the transmission chain to others that may not be so young or healthy.

It seems incredibly selfish, sociopathic even, only to care about yourself, and “your right” not to wear a mask, over the lives of those that aren’t as lucky as you.

Derbygerbil · 16/07/2020 23:00

Objecting to masks because you’re happy with your personal health risks of not wearing one, is a bit like objecting to drink-driving laws because you’re happy to take to risk to your own safety after downing a bottle wine, without a second thought that it might not all be about you.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 16/07/2020 23:03

@TheGreatWave

Many people are "don't really want to, but will where I need to."

I don't have to justify any further than that.

Yep

This

Russellbrandshair · 16/07/2020 23:08

Because they feel claustrophobic and sweaty and hot. I dont know why that’s apparently so baffling to anyone.
People are acting as if it’s shocking that people don’t want to wear them 24/7. Of course I will wear one if I have to but it doesn’t mean I have to like it does it? There of plenty of things in life we all have to do that we don’t absolutely love- why on earth would this be any different?

Whendoesthisgeteasier · 16/07/2020 23:08

Firstly, I will say that I am very emotionally triggered by this subject. My DH and I have had one family member very rapidly and unexpectedly die after contracting covid. I have watched my previously vibrant, extremely healthy and fit brother who contracted covid in March become an absolute shell of himself. He now suffers from a debilitating, cronic fatigue and is still experiencing bizarre symptoms almost 4 months on. My mum is immuno-compromised, with COPD in her lungs. Shingles nearly killed her a couple of years ago. Prior to this we didn't visit her if we even had a cold. So you can imagine our anxiety now.

It feels personal when people argue against wearing masks because it is personal. Masks save lives. The lives of peoples loved ones.

It has now been repeatedly scientifically proven that masks help slow and even prevent the transmission of the virus. A virus which has already had a devastating impact on those I love. This virus is more than capable of doing the same to your own family. Your excuses just don't cut it and they often aren't even grounded in anything concrete.

So I'd also like to address some of the comments I've read. "I believe I am at low risk of the illness as I actively try to be healthy."

Facemasks prevent you from SPREADING the virus. You might be asymptomatic. You might be 'fine' if you get the virus but an immuno-compromised person is 12 times more likely to die. There are lots of immuno-compromised people who are young and you wouldn't know that their immune system was compromised just by looking at them.

"Plus the fact I personally believe masks will not reduce the spread of transmission."
"I feel that compulsory mask-wearing is being introduced more as a sop to the fearful than for any convincing scientific purpose"

Places where masks weren't recommended saw a 55% weekly increase in coronavirus deaths per capita after their first case was reported, compared with 7% in countries with cultures or guidelines supporting mask wearing. A model from the University of Washington predicted that the US could prevent at least 45,000 coronavirus deaths by November if 95% of the population were to wear face masks in public.

"I also don't think there is any benefit - at this stage of the pandemic when there are so few people circulating with the illness"
As many as 80% of people with COVID-19 are unaware they have the virus. Facemasks prevent you from spreading the virus. You might be asymptomatic. This virus spread quickly and a second wave is capable of hitting us just as quickly as the first.

"Think its a bit ridiculous to introduce now and not at the beginning." so does everyone, but there are still millions of vulnerable people out there and it has been scientifically proven that masks help to prevent transmission.

"I worry about the implications of widespread mask-wearing for communication" Masks with clear panels are available.

"Personally I don’t want to live in a society based on uncritical compliance to ‘The Rules’, no matter how arbitrary those rules are. I like the messy, sometimes chaotic nature of UK society, it’s creativity and questioning of rules, it’s openness and embracing of difference. So many of the measures surrounding Covid seem to require us to deny our own flawed humanity and behave like automatons, and mask wearing exemplifies this for me." This isn't a society based on 'uncritical compliance' to the rules. This is a reaction based on Scientific research and fact. I'd like my parents to hang around for at least another 15 years thanks. If mask wearing prevents people from dying prematurely we should be wearing masks, despite your wish for a 'messy', 'chaotic' society. Masks don't need to equal autonomy or compliance.

For me, masks equal a society which cares for one another and is trying to protect one another. It's a sorry state of affairs when people are complaining THIS much about having to make such a small sacrifice for the benefit of others.

Whendoesthisgeteasier · 16/07/2020 23:12

@Maggie90 you've summed it up much more succinctly than I could; 'People perceive their dislike of wearing a mask as more important than another persons health, physical or mental.'

tilder · 16/07/2020 23:15

A few people have genuine reasons.

Most people, its ignorance or selfishness.

Am sure that will be seen as rude. Tbo, I'm past caring. I really do wonder sometimes what some people think the terms global pandemic, emergency, unprecedented etc mean.

islockdownoveryet · 16/07/2020 23:22

@Russellbrandshair you've summed it up completely.
Of course we will wear one but nobody is thrilled at the idea .
The idea of putting anything over your face goes against what feels normal and comfortable but we'll get used to it .
My glasses steam up but I believe there are things that can be done .
If people want to moan about it so what .
It was the same at the beginning of lockdown people saying they were murderers because they hated lockdown.
People just love to criticise others and next week we'll have lots of threads with saw people without a mask etc omg let's burn them at the stake .
I just wish people would worry less about what others are doing and just crack on with their own lives .

Catspaw123 · 16/07/2020 23:27

I am struggling to understand why we are being told this when previously we were told they did not help and were in fact bad for you. I also do not want anything touching my face and I think they encourage you to constantly touch your face and mess with them which is not good! There is also a very basic concept of breaching of civil liberties which the Government is crossing on a regular basis at the moment.

TempsPerdu · 16/07/2020 23:36

@Whendoesthisgeteasier I’m sorry for your loss, and for the terrible impact that Covid has had on your family. I have read your post through carefully, and while I disagree with some of the points you make I respect your articulate and well reasoned arguments and your right to make them.

However, despite all of this I’m afraid you still don’t get to dictate to others how we should feel about wearing masks. I’ve already stated that I won’t be flouting any rules and will wear one where it is legally required, however I will not do so gladly, nor will I wear one in any context where it isn’t officially mandated. Thankfully, despite Covid, we still live in a free and pluralistic society where we can each hold our own diverging views.

gamerchick · 16/07/2020 23:36

Must admit I find these threads a smite amusing. Like people can debate their way out of a potentially deadly virus with long 'uman rights posts, even though they have no idea how it'll affect them during of afterwards or people they may give it to. Chances are they'll be fine, there's absolutely no way of knowing.

It's like watching proper russion roulette Grin hardcore spirit right there

TempsPerdu · 16/07/2020 23:43

I’ll also add that every single person I’ve spoken to about masks in real life finds them unpleasant, will wear them when needed because they are law abiding individuals but does not welcome their widespread use. No Trumpian, freedom-of-choice-obsessed mask refuseniks, but also no full-on mask evangelists.

sleepingpup · 16/07/2020 23:49

Must admit I find these threads a smite amusing. Like people can debate their way out of a potentially deadly virus with long 'uman rights posts, even though they have no idea how it'll affect them during of afterwards or people they may give it to. Chances are they'll be fine, there's absolutely no way of knowing.

"Debate their way out" - I wish I had thought of this. So true.

TempsPerdu · 16/07/2020 23:57

@gamerchick

It's like watching proper russion roulette grin hardcore spirit right there

Well, aside from the odds of an individual recovering from Covid being way better than those for Russian roulette, life itself is inherently risky. We run all sorts of risks every day without even thinking about it - crossing a road, getting in a car, having a baby, drinking alcohol, even walking down the stairs (approx 800 UK deaths a year from stair accidents). I get that Covid is an added risk, and one we should try to mitigate where possible (yes, by wearing masks if necessary). What I don’t get is why we are so hellbent on trying to eliminate this particular virus at the cost of almost everything else - the economy; the population’s mental health; civil liberties; children’s education; other medical conditions (in many cases still going untreated); general well-being and quality of life. It seems we’re willing to accept any risk other than Covid risk.

JaceLancs · 17/07/2020 00:11

When it was announced that mask wearing was compulsory for shopping - whilst I didn’t like the idea - I will do so for essential shopping ie food if I can’t get online slot
I don’t suffer from anxiety and although I have asthma it’s fairly well controlled
Today due to unusual circumstances I was asked to wear a mask and rather than risk questions I acquiesced
It was fine to start with although hot and slightly uncomfortable - a couple of times it slipped and I had to readjust which probably wasn’t great from Covid point of view
Then I started to get very headachey - and felt I was not getting enough oxygen as I was re breathing my own breath
Next thing I lost consciousness - came round to lots of panicky bystanders who wanted to call an ambulance - which I refused as was embarrassed by all the fuss
I’ve been really freaked out by the whole experience
I’m hoping that the better quality 3 layer masks with filters and adjustable ear loops which I’ve ordered will be more wearable when they come
I’m worried that if I don’t wear a mask I will be judged adversely
I don’t think it was anxiety as I didn’t feel anxious and was willing to give it a go but am now anxious about repeating it
I am shopping for 2 people who are shielding and doing errands eg collecting medications for elderly NDN - so now can’t do that

LadyGAgain · 17/07/2020 00:20

Everything @TempsPerdu said right from the start.

I'll wear one as we've conformed from the start. And I don't ever want to be the cause of another's demise/distress.

But.

I will now only shop on line for the majority. I don't want to browse in a mask. I can do that online.

The death of the high street might be well and truly signed.

Malteserdiet · 17/07/2020 00:31

I hate the mask mandate and here’s why;

We have been asked to flatten the curve by staying at home. Most of us did and the curve flattened. Out of a population of over 66 million we now regularly have less than 1000 new cases per day throughout the entire UK.

We also have a much better understanding of social distancing, hand hygiene, covid symptoms and who might be the most vulnerable members of society. It is also now possible to experience just one symptom, get a test almost immediately and receive the result in less than 2 days. This should mean that new cases are picked up fairly quickly and local clusters can be identified. Infected people can also self isolate - another action people now have a better understanding of.

Meanwhile it has become evident that more than 80% of the world’s population won’t even know they have it or only experience mild symptoms. I know the argument for masks includes this statistic and we are now asked to wear masks to protect those most vulnerable. However, we do not routinely wear masks when carrying other illnesses which can be spread by coughing, sneezing or being in close contact with other people such as the flu or d&v. In my non expert opinion, a particularly virulent form of either the flu or d&v would pose a risk to elderly people and those most medically vulnerable. Coronavirus is no different in that regard but why is it being treated so differently? It is no longer a new disease that no-one knows anything about and the statistics for who it is most likely to negatively effect seem pretty solid. There are even multiple treatments and several promising vaccines in development. Why can we not now live our lives in complete normality but with perhaps better awareness of avoiding those at risk if we are feeling unwell?

IntrovertedUnicorn · 17/07/2020 02:03

In my non expert opinion, a particularly virulent form of either the flu or d&v would pose a risk to elderly people and those most medically vulnerable. Coronavirus is no different in that regard but why is it being treated so differently?

Honestly, for most people, it isn't treated any differently. For my 2yo DD, who has a very rare condition that makes things like d&v or flu life threatening, we take every single precaution to make sure she stays healthy. That means not seeing anyone who has had so much as a mild cold, taking bottled water, soap, and hand gel out with us everywhere to keep hands clean, avoiding crowds, coming straight home for a shower after swimming, using Google to work out the quietest shopping times, and planning shopping trips so we don't have to spend longer out than necessary. And she's not even immuno-compromised.

Seriously, people need to be grateful that this will be temporary for them. It's our entire life and I'm sick to death of hearing people complain about how hard it is.

OuiOuiKitty · 17/07/2020 02:33

I really don't understand the fuss about about this. If you enjoy wearing masks then good for you! There are fun times ahead for you. I don't see why you have a problem with people who find them uncomfortable saying so. Everyone here is saying they will wear them when they need to so why all of the sanctimonious posts?

Will I wear one? Absolutely. Will I avoid going into shops unless I really need to because I find them uncomfortable and feel like I am being muzzled? Absolutely. I don't see why anyone should have a problem with that.

Sobeyondthehills · 17/07/2020 02:40

Aside from those with a legitimate medical reason, why are some people so anti mask?

To answer this question, due to a sexual assault anything round my mouth and nose causes me a lot of panic.

Will I wear one, I am going to have to unless we can do without electricty or gas,

Loveinatimeofcovid · 17/07/2020 02:58

I’d resent being made uncomfortable for other people’s placebo. These masks aren’t actually going to make a difference really, they’re just going to bring down the R rate enough to drag this thing out longer.