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To those that don't want to wear a mask...

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Iamchangingmyusername · 16/07/2020 15:37

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people annoyed that they have to wear a mask in public.

Aside from those with a legitimate medical reason, why are some people so anti mask?

Genuinely curious. I have had to travel to and from work throughout lockdown and the introduction of masks on public transport made me feel somewhat safer. Noticing less and less people wearing them, or wearing them as a decorative chin strap.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 21/07/2020 13:08

You wear a mask in enclosed spaces if you care about others.

Yes it’s uncomfortable.

It’s to protect others.

Simple as that.

You know the parable about the long spoons - people are gathered around abundant food, but have spoons too long to be able to feed themselves. That’s hell. Heaven is exactly the same set up, but the people feed each other.

Those who refuse to wear masks (who don’t have health reasons) - they fall into the first category. The ones who can’t imagine putting others needs first.

TheGreatWave · 21/07/2020 13:26

And I don't have to go somewhere that it is necessary to wear one.

Simple as that.

catsandlavender · 21/07/2020 14:00

I don’t like them, I have anxiety and they make this worse. I still wear one whenever I go in a shop or anywhere enclosed because “I don’t like it!!!!” is not a good enough reason. Sensory issues, along with medical needs, I fully understand.

I mean, I understand all reasons why you wouldn’t want to wear one (mostly) but that doesn’t mean they’re valid or should be indulged.

Anon778833 · 21/07/2020 14:03

@LilMissRe

Actually shop workers don’t have to wear masks. I’m a beauty therapist who won’t be doing my job any more because I can’t cope with having face coverings on as I’m autistic. I’ll have to find another Different job even if it’s just in a shop.

While people are so busy virtue signalling about protecting the community, perhaps you should spare a thought for those people with hidden disabilities or asthma who can’t wear masks.

LilMissRe · 21/07/2020 14:08

@SugarbabyMilly
I completely understand, which is why in my post I said "IF you can" - I'm well aware that there are many people who genuinely can't and it's not my place to tell them otherwise.

My post was aimed at others.

Anon778833 · 21/07/2020 14:19

@LilMissRe I understand. I hope the security on shop doors will be understanding 😬

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 18:16

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/disabled-scots-lawyer-disgusted-after-22380425?fbclid=IwAR0kTWJTrE-LAf-DL2YN0JXuvl-0tJ8sKWy5z4MsjiXwfRxyrA1gV_VnhUA

Disabled Scots lawyer 'disgusted' after being harassed and refused entry to shops without face mask
Daniel Donaldson has hidden disabilities and says he has been taken aback by the treatment he has received on the street from strangers

A disabled Scots lawyer claims he has been regularly harassed and abused by strangers for not wearing a face mask in shops.

Daniel Donaldson has hidden respiratory disabilities and is exempt from wearing a mask.

The 40-year-old, who is a disability rights lawyer, says he has been left ‘disgusted’ by the discriminatory treatment directed towards him and others who are permitted to not wear a face covering in public.

He claims he has been confronted by strangers, subjected to vile verbal attacks and refused entry into stores since face masks were made mandatory in shops in Scotland on July 10.

Daniel told the Daily Record: “I have hidden disabilities and underlying medical conditions and therefore I am exempt from wearing a mask.

“However I have been utterly taken aback at the treatment I, and others in similar situations, have experienced since they were made compulsory two weeks ago.

We are being discriminated against and refused access to shops on some occasions, and that is just not acceptable.

“I’m disgusted.

“Just last week I was stopped in John Lewis by a customer who demanded to know where my mask was.

“I said I am exempt and then a further explanation was demanded, to which I told the person to ‘p* off’ because it’s a breach of my privacy.

"Face masks affect my breathing. This raises my respiration. This increases my heart rate. This causes distress. To wear this, I need to take diazepam. In addition to the regular medications, and liquid steroids to help keep my airways open

Daniel also slammed the Scottish Government for “rushing through” confusing legislation to enforce the new rule.

He added: “The problem is, the Scottish Government published this law three hours before it was introduced.

“There was no consultation with disability groups, no taking into account how it would affect them.

"The guidance is confusing, and doesn't make it clear that we don't need medical evidence to prove we are exempt."

Daniel, from Glasgow, says he was desperate to get out and about after being cooped up at home since the end of February.

He has been relishing the easing of restrictions but was not prepared for the amount of people who would challenge him in the street or in shops over his lack of PPE.

Daniel said: “I’m not jumping on the anti-face mask bandwagon here, I just believe people with disabilities who are exempt have the right not to be harassed going about their lives.

“Disabled people are not lepers, we are not going out there to spread the virus, and if staff and other customers are wearing their face masks, they have nothing to worry about, they are protected.

“So I’m just trying to raise a bit of awareness as we all try to get back to a bit of normality because it has been a lonely time for all of us and it’s not fair that some are feeling worry about finally getting to go into shops.”

Daniel, who runs the Disability Law Centre in Glasgow, has been using his organisation’s Facebook page to raise awareness and call shops out for discriminatory treatment.

He has also stepped in when he has witnessed harassment of others.

He added: “I have intervened in a number of incidents and I try to help as much as I can.

“Last week a security guard at a shop in Glasgow was trying to stop a young girl from entering because she didn’t have a mask, even though she was explaining why she couldn't wear one.

“He was intimidating her and I was not happy with his tone to this young girl, another woman said it was disgusting, so I took it up with management and they apologised profusely.

“But we can’t be there to see all these incidents unfold.”

Proof of exemption is also not a suitable solution to the issue, according to Daniel.

He said: “Things like exemption lanyards or so called medical evidence will not work.

“If you put a lanyard on, it’s like putting a big disability sticker on you forehead.

“All we can do for now is raise awareness because the system right now is not working.

“It makes me wary to go out but I will continue to live my life and try to help others do the same.”

A Scottish Government spokesperson said: “As the First Minister has said, no one should be abused or treated in an unacceptable way and those exempt under the regulations should not be made to wear a face covering or denied access to shops.

"Retailers can ask people to wear a face covering, but should be understanding when people tell them they are exempt and we do not expect staff to enforce the wearing of face coverings.

“The guidance on the use of face coverings by the public is contained in the Phase 3 Staying Safe and Protecting others guidance on the Scottish Government website.

This makes clear that it may not be appropriate for those who have a health condition or for disabled people to wear a face covering.

“For those who are not exempt, it is now mandatory to wear a face covering on public transport and in shops or other retail outlets, and we expect face coverings to be worn when in an enclosed public space where it is difficult to maintain two metres physical distance and where there is a risk of close contact with multiple people you do not usually meet.”

Find out more about Daniel's campaign to promote awareness of hidden disabilities here

AtrociousCircumstance · 21/07/2020 18:21

thegreatwave er, yes. That’s fine. If you don’t go somewhere where a mask is required, then sure, don’t wear one.

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ChardonnaysPetDragon · 21/07/2020 18:26

Ah, the Daily I Cannot Possibly Be Bothered To Wear A Mask.

I’m happy
On the tube and the numbers of twats who have their masks dangling by one ear is mind boggling.

Also the twats who come into the wearing a mask and then remove it to shout at someone on the phone.

Just how stupid can you be?

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 18:29

Looks like your own mask has slipped @ChardonnaysPetDragon And not for the first time.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 21/07/2020 18:34

My mask is firmly on my nose. It’s tied so not slipping at all.

How are today HeIEna?
Grin

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 18:42

Thats not the mask i meant.

ZaraCarmichaelshighheels · 21/07/2020 18:49

[quote LilMissRe]@ZaraCarmichaelshighheels
Ok, and what about the shop workers and cabin crew? Don't see them flipping out and screaming blue murder over their 'rights' and having to wear a mask- that didn't come with their job description surely.[/quote]
No one is flipping out and screaming blue murder, don’t exaggerate, everyone is saying they will wear one when required, they just don’t like it, as is their prerogative.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 21/07/2020 19:29

See, I do think that people who have set out from home wearing a mask and then dangle it from their ear, or remove it to speak on the phone, or just take it off when they come into the carriage are utter twats. Now, you might think they are downtrodden, disabled people who cannot wear a mask. One of us is wrong, and it's not me. If they had anything preventing them from wearing a mask they wouldn't just remove it to apply their lipstick.

I don't know where you live and what sort of transport you use, but you clearly don't have the same opportunity the observe those people. I do.

As for my mask slipping, I have never pretended to be anything and I have always been nothing but consistent in my opinion. I don't care enough about your opinion to go to the trouble of pretending.

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 19:44

Chardonnay Have you considered some of them (not all i grant you) may have medical conditions but are attempting to wear a mask because they have already come across someone like you (who is more vocal about it)

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 19:46

and I have always been nothing but consistent in my opinion

Really? You mentioned several times about masks saving lives and then in the next breath balked at the idea of people getting them for free.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 21/07/2020 20:09

No, I haven't. Because I was there I have seen with my eyes the reasons they took their masks off.

And no, I don't think they should be given out for free, it's not going to make the twats I have seen over the last days wear them more, it's only going to be a waste.

I want to see people fined for to wearing them though. The reason they aren't wearing them is that even though mask save lives, they don't save the lives of those wearing them, so by wearing mine I save yours, but you, generic you, don't care about mine. And that's a bit of a twatery.

Kazzyhoward · 21/07/2020 20:20

Fair enough for those who have sound medical reasons for not wearing them, but if they're not, then keep 2 metres away from me or I'll be telling you to keep your sodding distance. Regardless of medical issues, I don't want you infecting me. The least such people can do is maintain 2 m social distancing.

Newbiehere123 · 21/07/2020 21:10

Most countries wear them and I mean very hot countries as well. I don't like it either but switching entirely to online shopping isn't going to be good thing for our economy! I was in Spain and everyone is out and about, shopping, dining, going to work and carrying on as normal but with a face mask on. This mentality is going to kill our already fragile economy. I wish it was enforced at the very beginning and maybe we would have been out of this mess by now.

MRex · 21/07/2020 21:40

There are sound medical reasons for not wearing masks even indoors. The issue is that this virus spreads more from those who don't wear masks, and many vulnerable people have been shielding for a long time but need masks worn by others for their extra protection. I think those who can't wear a mask (apart from children) should accept that now is their turn to not go to shops but just shop online, so that it's safer for those who've been shielding or are elderly to get out and about. Yes, some people are both shielding or elderly and unable to wear a mask - they should be exempt. Yes, it's an inconvenience to those with their raft of other reasons, but this pandemic is a big inconvenience to everyone (or worse), if you can't wear a mask then now it's simply your turn to be inconvenienced. Take your turn, feel irritated as you have every right to, but take your turn instead of making vulnerable and elderly people continue to take theirs.

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 22:56

@Newbiehere123 Japan have cooled face masks available in vending machines.

you cant keep comparing to other countries its disingenuous.

sleepingpup · 21/07/2020 23:21

you cant keep comparing to other countries its disingenuous.

Sorry I think you can compare to other countries.

We looked to what was happening in Italy with Covid before it really hit here. Rates of infection, testing and death have been compared between all the nations. It is vital information.

The success of mask wearing in keeping transmission rates down is influencing the uptake of masks here.

It is very interesting to see the precedents.

MaleficentsCrow · 21/07/2020 23:41

I like face masks, I can mouth fuck off at people directly to their face, and they are none the wiser 😬

Also you can insult people under your breath as you walk by and because they don't know who's talking, you get away with it.

Face masks help me with my genuine dislike of "people" and the human race.

Long may face masks stay in. They do nothing really for public safety because the general stupid population don't use them correctly so they just look like twats with a sanitary pad on their chin.

PestymcPestFace · 22/07/2020 00:30

Somebody wanted evidence

The science around the use of masks by the general public to impede COVID-19 transmission is advancing rapidly. Policymakers need guidance on how masks should be used by the general population to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, considering and synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas: population impact; transmission characteristics; source control; PPE; sociological considerations; and implementation considerations. A primary route of transmission of COVID-19 is via respiratory droplets, and is known to be transmissible from presymptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. Reducing disease spread requires two things: first, limit contacts of infected individuals via physical distancing and other measures, and second, reduce the transmission probability per contact. The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces the transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected droplets in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high. The decreased transmissibility could substantially reduce the death toll and economic impact while the cost of the intervention is low. Given the current shortages of medical masks we recommend the adoption of public cloth mask wearing, as an effective form of source control, in conjunction with existing hygiene, distancing, and contact tracing strategies. Because many respiratory droplets become smaller due to evaporation, we recommend increasing focus on a previously overlooked aspect of mask usage: mask-wearing by infectious people ("source control") with benefits at the population-level, rather than mask-wearing by susceptible people, such as health-care workers, with focus on individual outcomes. We recommend that public officials and governments strongly encourage the use of widespread face masks in public, including the use of appropriate regulation.

www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v3

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 22/07/2020 00:45

'I have no problem with the masks' -Trump

Trump, in a shift in rhetoric on facial coverings, encouraged Americans on Tuesday to wear a mask if they cannot maintain social distance from people around them in an effort to curb the spread of the coronavirus.

Arguably even the original Covidiot is converted!

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