Asking too much of teachers?

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

It's looking like masks are going to be a requirement in shops and possibly other indoor venues.

Yet teachers are expected to teach - for hours at a time - in confined, poorly ventilated spaces, with no social distancing. They have been told they do not need PPE. If I was still teaching there is no way I'd go into a room crowded with teenagers and not wear a mask at the moment.

Teachers should be allowed as much protection as possible not thrown under a corona bus because Johnson wants them for child care so their parents can go back to work.

I really can't understand why it's going to be compulsory in shops where meetings are fleeting but not in schools which are crowded and have people crammed in for hours.

Does the right of children to go back to school over rule the rights of of school staff (teaching and ancillary) to be as protected as possible?

This means they should be allowed to wear PPE, if they choose, and secondary children should be wearing masks as happens in some other countries. In some countries younger children also have to wear masks in school.

The safety of teachers has been ignored by Johnson and his chums in their urge to get people back to work and the cry of "back to normal" is taken up by those ignorant of the facts about the virus.

Teachers have been made out to be the bad guys almost from the beginning - as can be seen from many bile infested threads on here. They deserve better.

I agree there’s a big difference to being extra careful with your own use and using wipes etc and expecting teachers to be cleaners on top by having to clean the loos after children.

I am quite clearly talking about a chef cleaning the loos whilst on duty and in mid service, not at the end of the day.

I have worked in catering, and many many chefs would walk f they were told cleaning toilets was their job. Quite literally beneath their station.

Hey ho.

You cannot get a 5 on the sparkly hygiene rating without proper cleaning protocols.

Just read the first page on the toilet cleaning thread and the majority are saying that they are cleaning loos

However, that does hijack thread somewhere form asking if anyone could cite a professional occupation where cleaning has been added to duties.

Chefs have many many skills and often qualifications but chefing is not a professional occupation according to ONS.

We are yet again back to that insinuation, as nurses had to endure for many years that teachers (especially primary teachers) are glorified auxiliaries and helpmeets.

Would like , in hindsight, to delete glorified!

Aren't the majority on the toilet thread who say that they are, are saying it's after they have used it? Not cleaning after loads of people have

I am sure ANYONE on this thread wants teachers teaching, planning, marking.

@Piggywaspushed

But these are unusual circumstances, a chef at the moment, may be happy to have a job, even if that job meant doing jobs that were ‘beneath their station‘ for the time being

Haven't seen many people saying they'd be willing to volunteer to clean loos in their children's school.

Oh peas can you not read a poll? Maybe you need a maths teacher to help?

Oh noble can you not read a post?
I said i'd read the first page of comments.
maybe you need an English teacher to help?

They might be . It still doesn't mean the restaurant wants to be shut down.

English teacher here! Will obligingly go off and read thread!

@GhostTypeEevee

Aren't the majority on the toilet thread who say that they are, are saying it's after they have used it? Not cleaning after loads of people have

And one or two have clarified that they wouldn't want to clean the men's loos - for obvious reasons. But I will tell you that the kids' loos at school are quite hideous, and there will be further spread of Covid if the Government doesn't come up with a plan (or funding would be a start) to tackle this issue.

I wonder, how much extra loo cleaning will go on in male-dominated industries as opposed to female-dominated ones?
(Do I even have to ask?)

It's got nothing to do with cleaning being below my station. I don't have time to clean. I work enough hours as it is. I won't be adding cleaning time on.

Three of our Yr 6s were sent home last week for deliberately peeing all over the toilet floors.

Can the extra discretionary funding be used for cleaners?
Not sure how much it is let school

Per

GPs cleaning toilets? Hilarious
well, i wouldn't say it was hilarious, more of an unwelcome necessity, but if you find it funny....

I have obligingly read.

Noted that :

most of those who are cleaning up after others are teachers/ childminders (they always have done so not a change to conditions per se)
And a few are now doing it to protect their business, or their staff
The most telling post was the person who said that she would think it was a waste of a professional on a 50k salary's time to be required to clean

And, yes, specifically, most said they were cleaning up after THEMSELVES.

One said no vulnerable staff were doing it : again, vulnerable teachers are being required to do this in some schools.

I imagine , also, that those cleaning up after themselves are entering a somewhat cleaner toilet in the first place than many teachers have to endure.

marsha what funding is this? Is this the funding that can only be used after an outbreak?

most of those who are cleaning up after others are teachers
ah right, so the majority of teachers ARE cleaning up after others.

most of those who are cleaning up after others are teachers
ah right, so the majority of teachers ARE cleaning up after others.

You might like to work on your critical reasoning.

Piggy I was thinking of this - £650 million will be shared across all state primary and secondary schools, alongside a £350m national tutoring scheme

But having googled it says it’s all for catch up but heads can choose what to spend it on - so maybe they have to stick to catch up when using it but get to choose

I had thought it completely discretionary