Hairdresser didn’t have a mask/visor

[Summerdays2014]

Hi,

I took my 4 year old to have his hair cut tonight. We went after I’d finished work/he’d finished nursery and there was no queue so straight in, 2 people already in the chairs. I had a mask for my son to wear but he was only holding it over his mouth and it only lasted about 5 minutes as it got hair in it and was uncomfortable for him. My husband asked if all the hairdressers had masks/visors on... but they didn’t. I’m now so worried and feel so guilty. I should have known, I did know, they were meant to have PPE but it just didn’t register at the time. I’m scared I’ve put us at risk and we’ve been so carful - not even seen my parents as I know my son won’t be able to keep away from them.

You’re keeping your son away from his grandparents but took him for a haircut? What nonsense this all is.

@daisymay133, thank you for your very rational post.

I’m in the vulnerable category with having chronic kidney disease which is at 17% right now, I also have asthma as does my DS(4).

I’ll admit at the beginning I was an anxious, nervous wreck and my DH was trying his best to get me out of it, but I think the media had hyped it up so much as a deadly disease that anyone who caught it would die.

But now I’ve been out in shops a few times took DS places, and dare a say had a SD bbq with a few family members. It’s helped my anxiety no end and I’m still alive despite my health problems. I think even some of the most healthy people are still being completely irrational about this whole thing.

daisymay133

On average less than 300 people are getting Covid per day out of 66 MILLION in uk - given we are mainlybtesting keyworkers most prob aren’t even showing symptoms

It has fatality rate of about 1% tops - of those infected - not of population

That was before new treatments!

Why do healthy people think they’d all be that 1%!

It’s irrational

I think half the people I know since Covid have genuinely developed anxiety and mental health issues

It’s not normal to not be able to see facts and figures for what they are

The level of hysteria for the majority is ridiculous and unhealthy.

85% of people in their 80s survive Covid!! Get a bloody grip people!

Just to clarify I was referring to this post by @daisymay133

I want Covid to be over, we all want Covid to be over.... I can’t wait to get back to normal, and am happy that things are opening up, and I’m definitely not cowering away, or even think many other countries have gone way over the top
on masks.

But ironically, the one thing that’s most likely to delay normality are those people who are acting like it’s already completely back to normal!
It’s crazy!

The reason Leicester is back in lockdown is because various workplaces thought “fuck this” and acted as if Covid had gone away.... and for a few weeks, there wasn’t much to report... but then there was - cases rose and it was locked down. It doesn’t matter whether you think that was right or wrong... the fact is, it has been locked down again and hairdressers, pubs etc. are still not open.

Whether or not you think it’s all a fuss about nothing, that won’t stop more local lockdowns if numbers spike again.... and they very likely will if enough people says “yay, it’s all over”.

It’s just so cretinously stupid, especially when we can see what’s occurring in the US where they did exactly that in some states a couple of months back... It’s as though some people are determined that we should follow the same path... Why?! Do they want their hairdressers shut again? Why don’t they think that what happened in Leicester, or Florida, or Texas will happen in their town?

@karensmithiscool ....the police? get a grip love....no laws have been broken here

and i still cannot see any legislation which says a face shield is compulsory @daisymay133. my workplace has visors should we wish to use them.....i tried, i wear glasses and it distorts my vision's nope....not wearing one!

On average less than 300 people are getting Covid per day out of 66 MILLION in uk

Daily confirmed cases are around 600 per day, with about 3-4 times that reckoned to be infected but not tested.... so very low, but not quite 300.

DS 16 went the barbers today they had made a big deal of all they were doing on FB wearing PPE, hand sanitizer, customers had to wash hair before visit and wear a mask etc. DS got up early to wash his hair and I gave him a mask but he said no customers in there were wearing them (its not the biggest barbers either).

Bought this months Woman and Home when i saw the strapline along the top..........How to go grey gracefully Dos and Donts

Cue people here whinging when we see an increase in local lockdowns.

What part of ‘suppress the virus and keep its incidence low’ is hard to understand? Childcare is an economic necessity for many people. Not wearing a mask when you’re inches away from someone isn’t.

@LilBlackLab

From the guidance that is enforceable as per my earlier email.

“In workplaces such as hairdressers and barbers, spas, beauty salons, tattoo and photoshoot studios, it is likely to be difficult to maintain social distancing, as employees need to work in close proximity to their clients, usually for an extended period of time. An extended period of time refers to the majority of the working day, irrespective of the number of clients served during the day. The person providing a service (such as hairdressers or beauticians, because of the period of time spent in close proximity to a person’s face, mouth and nose) should therefore wear further protection in addition to any that they might usually wear. This should take the form of a clear visor that covers the face and provides a barrier between the wearer and the client from respiratory droplets caused by sneezing, coughing or speaking. Visors must fit the user and be worn properly. It should cover the forehead, extend below the chin, and wrap around the side of the face. A screen may be used by practitioners working with clients’ hands.”

Health and Safety law doesn’t tend work via reams of prescriptive legislation... It issues guidance to allow reasonable judgment as every possible scenario could never be covered. The emphasis is on the employer or service provider to act reasonably in light of the guidance provided. If not, they can, and often have been, prosecuted.

If you believe Government guidance has no legal force, you are very much mistaken for the reasons I’ve given.

To clarify-I’m not suggesting it’s over. I agree that mask wearing is sensible. It’s the hysteria and the idea that you can get infected from anyone not PPE’d to the hilt.

@Miserablemoan

To clarify-I’m not suggesting it’s over. I agree that mask wearing is sensible. It’s the hysteria and the idea that you can get infected from anyone not PPE’d to the hilt.

To be honest, I’m not fussed about many other workers getting close by temporarily, but hairdressers and beauticians are another matter. They’re going to get up close to hundreds of people and are statistically likely to interact with someone who has covid within a short while...Putting all their subsequent customers at risk.

Hmm. At the moment I’d say they weren’t statistically likely to come into contact with someone with Covid.

I’m not fussed about getting my hair done or having beauty treatments anyway so I can’t get worked up about it.

If people are that desperate they’ll have to take ‘the risk’

Having said that I do feel for the hairdressers and people who whom this is their livelihood

They are going to lose a lot of money if people avoid going or skip colours and just go for the cut.

To clarify-I’m not suggesting it’s over. I agree that mask wearing is sensible. It’s the hysteria and the idea that you can get infected from anyone not PPE’d to the hilt.

I agree... I like the Government’s guidance as it is focuses on wearing PPE only where necessary, rather than the blanket mask wearing inside and out that many countries have gone for.... I don’t think it’s appropriate to wear a mask where it’s disproportionate to do so and the risk is infinitesimal... but hairdressers do have frequent interactions that have a high risk of transmission if someone is infected... and yes, infections are very low, but they won’t stay that way if hairdressers and others who have “close interactions” take no notice of guidance (that has legal force).

HelenaDove
Out of interest (for a friend), was the W and H article of use?

To be honest, I’m not fussed about many other workers getting close by temporarily, but hairdressers and beauticians are another matter. They’re going to get up close to hundreds of people and are statistically likely to interact with someone who has covid within a short while...Putting all their subsequent customers at risk.

Agreed... I’m equally not fussed about brief interactions with people without face coverings - the risk is small. That’s not the case with hairdressers. As I tried to point out earlier, even in population with very low levels of infection, the risk of hairdressers being vectors for the infection across the community is not insignificant. You almost couldn’t make up a more effective arrangement for being agents of community transmission!

@TheMurk

I read a comment under a news item on Facebook today where a woman was appalled at hairdressers being allowed to reopen because “what if someone has COVID on their hair?” And then “when they get a blow dry it will be spread all through the air in the salon” this comment had 17 likes.

The world has been split in two.

Some people will never recover their normal senses from this episode in time.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so horribly serious.

The thought of it blowing round in the air made me think of this: www.news-medical.net/news/20200422/Lifting-the-lid-on-coronavirus-flatulence.aspx

The reason that Leicester had to lock down wasn’t that people got complacent- from my understanding it was that many never actually locked down at all, especially in the sweatshops where employers forced staff with symptoms to continue working.

The risk in the rest of the uk is now so low it’s almost negligible, people are going to start dying of all the issues that have been put on the back burner since this started, but no one is talking about that.

@derbygerbil yeah I read it. I’ve worked all the way through covid and nothing has ever been ‘enforced’

It’s so easy to just say ‘ I can’t wear that because of....’ health and safety are more concerned with 2 metre adherence and hand washing. Nobody can enforce that you wash your hands 20 times a day or keep a visor on for 8 hours if it interferes with general health....reasonable adjustments then kick in

@Singinginshower Only glanced at it so far but looks good. And i love the grey hair and style of the woman in the picture accompanying the article. Looks sophisticated.
im shit at screen shots or else id put one up.

Im still trying to come to terms with it myself but i will get there i think.

I didnt realize there is still quite a lot of my own brunette mixed in with the grey Looking in the bathroom mirror i can see it. And i the last time i used the Loreal Magic Retouch was over a week ago.

DH just chipped in with "Peoples roots are so far along now that i reckon hairdressers might be frightened that some will realise the natural colour doesnt look so bad after all.

I had mine done every five weeks and have been having this since 2006 so its never grown out this much before.

Found this.
www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/woman-reveals-why-she-went-grey-in-her-30s

@Allnamesaregone

The reason that Leicester had to lock down wasn’t that people got complacent- from my understanding it was that many never actually locked down at all, especially in the sweatshops where employers forced staff with symptoms to continue working.

The risk in the rest of the uk is now so low it’s almost negligible, people are going to start dying of all the issues that have been put on the back burner since this started, but no one is talking about that.

Actually at the core it’s the same thing: unsafe working practices that contravene government rules.

Hello i am a hairdresser, on my salon we have been wearing visors, and all clients have been wearing masks. We aren’t doing kids’ hair atm because they need an adult with them and that’s extra bodies therefore harder to social distance.

Rather than reporting (to whom?) i would contact the business directly and raise your concerns. It’s very hard for small independents, the guidance isn’t clear and involves a lot of overheads at a time when they’re on their arses.

As to whether it will put ppl off coming, out phone is ringing off the hook every day, we’ve just got all our regulars rescheduled just about and are about to start calling new clients next week. The other stylist and i have no availability until august, our salon owner has none till late september.

I’ve had a handful of clients who’ve come to their appointments wanting something different because they’re ready to start thinking about transitioning to grey. I love it, it’s a challenge and i love to see people loving and accepting their natural selves. I’m going grey myself and i bleached in a fake mallen streak last summer, and i get loads of compliments. Truly creative stylists and colourists will evolve their work to fit in with what clients want. I love the new wave of grey acceptance and am all for it.