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Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 12

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/07/2020 21:08

Welcome to thread 12 of the daily updates

Resource links:

Slides & data UK govt pressers
UK dashboard sub-national data, local authorities
Beta Uk dashboard deaths, cases, hospitals, tests, partially sub-national
UK stats updated daily by PHE & DHSC
ONS UK statistics for CV related deaths, released weekly each Tuesday
PHE surveillance report infections & deaths released every Thursday with sep. infographic
NHS England stats including breakdown by Hospital Trust
FT Daily updates
HSJ Healthcare updates
Worldometer UK page
Plot FT graphs compare countries deaths, cases / million pop. / log / linear
Covidly.com filter graphs compare countries
Plot COVID Graphs Our World in Data

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PatriciaHolm · 13/07/2020 00:15

@Frazzled2207

If you look at the patients admitted section on the staging data

coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

just 36 admissions on friday compared with 100+ the previous few days. Not sure I believe that.

No, I don't - that will be reporting delays over the weekend - it will go up - it quite often happens.
NeurotrashWarrior · 13/07/2020 06:07

A question; won't the Zoe app become less accurate as we head into winter? I know I've lost my sense of taste / smell with other viruses before for example. During lockdown down and over the summer there were fewer bugs around.

Firefliess · 13/07/2020 08:17

That's a good question @neuro. They'd need to be able to adjust their model in real time to take account of a smaller proportional of symptoms being caused by Covid as opposed to other viruses for it to remain accurate, which I would have thought would be a challenge.

Re the 25% of health care workers being positive for antibiotics at the start of the epidemic - this the the aspect is that study most likely to be affected by self-selection of participants, because people who thought they'd had it would have been interested in finding out.

whatsnext2 · 13/07/2020 08:19

@Quarantino

Unsurprising most infections are asymptomatic, same with flu:

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(14)70034-7/fulltext

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2020 10:56

Yes, I've read estimates of flu IFR as 0.044
Also, despite MN's usual "not real flu", many people with flu have only cold-like symptoms
Nearly all viruses seem to have this wide range of severity

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2020 10:59

On the evidence so far, having COVID gives immunity for a while, but not permanently.
So vaccination of vulnerable groups may need to be annual, possibly with some spacing to the annual flu vaccination

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alreadytaken · 13/07/2020 11:30

So 100 "outbreaks" across the country. Bolton and Blackburn need attention still, few cases in Braintree, Calderdale is going up, Cannock Chase had a few cases, East Northampts 7 in one day was a lot for them and that's as far as I got. before the site switching to whirring on me. Anyone else?

wintertravel1980 · 13/07/2020 11:42

I am following London cases. There is definitely something happening in Tower Hamlets but the numbers are still small in the grand scheme of things.

EugeniaGrace · 13/07/2020 12:00

@NeurotrashWarrior

Now that the Zoe app takes test results (and differentiates between the different types of tests), hopefully the algorithm will be multi-dimensional (symptoms and test results) and be able to differentiate clusters of Covid symptoms where people are testing negative (colds and flus etc) and clusters where people are testing positive (suggesting Covid outbreaks).

It could prove quite a powerful tool for seeing the spread of other illnesses for example, if it can identify 100s of people in one region are suffering from d&v at a certain point in time and all test negative.

I was invited to take a test due to sore throat and change of taste and smell this weekend even though cases are very low in my area and did so to help confirm this, especially as I have a child in one of the years that’s gone back to school.

nannynick · 13/07/2020 12:11

How do you see the new cases data for very local area, such as borough? I can see option for NHS region but that does not go to borough level.

alreadytaken · 13/07/2020 12:17

adding East Staffs in - not massive but a pub needing to close maybe? Eastbourne a little bump, Fareham had a few cases after over a week with none but just a handful. Gosport a handle after a long period with none, do you think they are being counted as outbreaks? Hackney and City of London a few cases recently. Haringey litte bump, maybe not everywhere had no BLM impact. Harrow very low but moving average going up. Hillingdon not showing a massive spike after the hospital closure but had a sustained lowish level of infection. Anglesey's eat plant infection not leading to any sustained increased in cases after it's spike.

whatsnext2 · 13/07/2020 12:19

@BigChocFrenzy

Yes, I've read estimates of flu IFR as 0.044 Also, despite MN's usual "not real flu", many people with flu have only cold-like symptoms Nearly all viruses seem to have this wide range of severity
Latest CDC gives Covid 19 IFR of .65%

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

This makes it comparable to 1957 flu with IFR of . 67% and well below to 1918 flu of 2.5 % (albeit with more limited medical care).

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/07/2020 12:21

Yes, that's true Eugénie, it's all extra data for the government.

nannynick · 13/07/2020 12:21

Thanks AlreadyTaken. I get N/A for my local area... wonder if that means my local area hospitals are not collecting the data at that level for some reason.

Jrobhatch29 · 13/07/2020 12:33

@whatsnext 2 I read that earlier but I thought it said 0 0065%? I was surprised as its the lowest I have seen. Am I just misunderstanding the document?

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wintertravel1980 · 13/07/2020 12:55

I think the IFR data in the CDC document is shown as an absolute multiplier rather than a percentage.

Jrobhatch29 · 13/07/2020 13:06

@wintertravel1980

I think the IFR data in the CDC document is shown as an absolute multiplier rather than a percentage.
I'm not even going to pretend I know what that means 🤣 thank you though. WHO put it at 0.6% last week too
whatsnext2 · 13/07/2020 13:14

@wintertravel1980

I think the IFR data in the CDC document is shown as an absolute multiplier rather than a percentage.
@Jrobhatch29 yes .0065 = .65%
Jrobhatch29 · 13/07/2020 13:22

Its interesting as that is exactly what that lancet article all the way back in march predicted the IFR to be

boys3 · 13/07/2020 13:51

Perhaps it's me but I'm actually quite reassured by the Matt Hancock outbreaks indicative number and that it support the largely positive direction of travel in terms of cases (and more so in terms of hospital admissions); and the swift very localised actions being taken for targeted community settings.

I do think we will need to get used to some plateauing in the case numbers, as the next step change down is going to be less easily, not sure if that is the right word or not, achieved.

Picking up on some of the areas flagged and working on cases per 100,000 population as opposed to absolute case numbers to allow like to like comparison of the numbers. Taking the seven day cases per 100,000 figure at 9th July (recognising this should not be too far off complete as opposed to the position on the 10th, 11th) and going about 10 days back to the 7 day cases per 100,000 at that time.

Bolton was at 23.6 cases per 100,000 now at 18.8; looks to be flat and maybe starting to reduce further.

Blackburn 23.4 now at 38.1, and I think an upward trajectory still by the looks of things.

Calderdale 19.4 now at 17.0 but recent days heading upwards

East Northants and to which could be added Kettering and *Northampton all previously around the 11-13 mark now at 15.9; 22.6 and 21.4 respectively; and again gently increasing trajectory

East Staff was 10.9 now at 20.0

Eastbourne not so sure, 14.5 as compared with 16.4, but again seems on a gradual increase

Pendle - actually this does stand out. 17.4 and now 61.9, so clearly something has happened.

Sticking in Lancs and whilst at a much lower level Fylde was at 5.0 and now 9.9

In the south-east

Woking 5.0 to 11.9

St Albans 9.4 to 17.5, although looks to be flat / starting to decline again

With almost all the above, bar Blackburn and Pendle in particular; the cases per 100,000 (seven day figure) are still all below 25, and many well below 20.

More positively

Oadby and Wigston - 50.9 and now has fallen to 31.6

and there are a whole swathe of LAs where their cases per 100,000 are still either falling as compared to a week / 10 days ago or at worse staying flat below 5 cases per 100,000 people.

What of course we don't know is what is driving case numbers in the particular areas highlighted above. I'd imagine there will be a variety of reasons - care homes, schools, places of work, maybe some genuine wider community. So for each without understanding the problem second guessing the solution is probably best avoided. :)

Herefordshire has of course jumped massively in cases per 100,000; however we know this is due to a very localised outbreak on a farm with seasonal workers. I can't help thinking that 73 cases in a very contained location is very different to say 73 cases in a central city office environment where all those people scatter via public transport to every point of the compass at the end of the day.

Increasingly the headline numbers will be more difficult to interpret and the devil really will be in the (local) detail.

PatriciaHolm · 13/07/2020 14:09

Anyone else seen this?

It's the Local Government Association site for amalgamation of LA data, and now includes some on CV. Including a local area page where they are graphing local cases by day per 100,000, which is a nice way to see it without having to work it out yourself from the Gov site!

This is Pendle -
lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker-area-quick-view-1?mod-area=E07000122&mod-group=AllLaInUK&mod-type=namedComparisonGroup

FurForksSake · 13/07/2020 14:27

Going back to visors I do worry about how well they are used. This one is neither use nor ornament. I hope she uses it properly and with a mask with a client. It certainly isn't catching or deflecting any particles.

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hopefulhalf · 13/07/2020 14:38

I know PHE are on the Eastbourne numbers . I don't know whether posters will find that re-assuring.

Lifejacket · 13/07/2020 14:47

For the LGA data I noticed they are using the median rather than the mean average. Does anyone know why they are doing it this way round please?