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Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 12

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/07/2020 21:08

Welcome to thread 12 of the daily updates

Resource links:

Slides & data UK govt pressers
UK dashboard sub-national data, local authorities
Beta Uk dashboard deaths, cases, hospitals, tests, partially sub-national
UK stats updated daily by PHE & DHSC
ONS UK statistics for CV related deaths, released weekly each Tuesday
PHE surveillance report infections & deaths released every Thursday with sep. infographic
NHS England stats including breakdown by Hospital Trust
FT Daily updates
HSJ Healthcare updates
Worldometer UK page
Plot FT graphs compare countries deaths, cases / million pop. / log / linear
Covidly.com filter graphs compare countries
Plot COVID Graphs Our World in Data

We welcome factual, data driven, and civil discussions from all contributors 📈📶👍

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MarcelineMissouri · 10/07/2020 17:43

@HairyFloppins they have had a few outbreaks but seem to feel they have it under control at the moment

english.elpais.com/society/2020-07-10/spain-reports-73-active-coronavirus-outbreaks-six-more-in-24-hours.html

HairyFloppins · 10/07/2020 17:48

Thanks for the link. Pleased to hear they feel they have got it under control.

Carlislemumof4 · 10/07/2020 17:54

Public health warning issued for Carlisle.

www.yourcumbria.org/News/2018/increaseincoronaviruscasesincarlisle.aspx

PatriciaHolm · 10/07/2020 17:55

@HairyFloppins

Anyone have any ideas what is happening over in Spain?. I know they have had a few localised outbreaks which I'm sure they will get under control. But looking on worldometer they have had over 800 new infections.
www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/Actualizacion_160_COVID-19.pdf

Spain appears to have a couple of specific areas of issue, in Catalonia and Aragon, where infections have been growing and are at a (relative to the rest of Spain) higher level per 100,000, though that is still 20 /100,000, which is pretty low (we have 6 local areas above 20, though none are growing).

Catalonia seems to blaming an influx of 30,000 seasonal fruit pickers and imposed a local lockdown a few days ago. Aragon borders Catalonia and it's likely to be the same problem there.

boys3 · 10/07/2020 18:29

@PumpkinPie2016

Just done a quick calculation and in the last 7 days, average cases is approx. 548 per day.

The 7 days prior to that is approx. 688 per day.

So a decent decrease overall.

I agree the trajectory largely continues downward but I don't think that is an apples with apples comparison as the most recent seven days will comprise a number of days where the actual confirmed cases numbers remain to feed through into the figures.

For England (the vast bulk of confirmed cases now) today's release only has 19 cases so far for Thursday, added another 249 cases for Wednesday, another 80 for Tuesday, and 47 more for Monday, and another 77 for week ending last Sunday.

So I'd agree of trajectory direction but not the speed of the downward fall. :)

Whilst the virus continue to rumble around we may also get to a plateau position.

The dashboard lists 192 English districts (thankfully the figs for the 4 Bucks districts are still shown even though a new democracy destroying Bucks unitary is now in place). Just over 22 million people live in them. Confirmed cases in these districts was

2041 w/e 14th June
1672 w/e 1672 June
1151 w/e 1151 June

three sizeable week on week falls.

Based on today's published data in the w/e 5th July there were 1069 cases, so still down, but a much slowed rate of decline.

Whilst places such as Carlisle are showing a bit of an uptick - since w/e 7th June weekly cases 3, 3, 8, 11, 20 and for current week 13 so far so likely to be above 20 as the full week gets confirmed - there is a significant number of district areas bouncing between 0 and 3 cases each week, so largely well suppressed, but still hanging on.

Some are now really starting to stretch out the number of days since last confirmed case

North Devon nothing since 18th June, and even better Uttlesford in Essex no cases since 13th June

alreadytaken · 10/07/2020 19:11

If all health care staff had good PPE they wouldnt usually pass the virus on to the patients. However when you have to wear what little you have all day and cant have PPE unless you are dealing with a confirmed case then patients get the virus from the staff.

Using CPAP more is great but the steroids apparently dont work as well for the elderly so not the answer to everything.

whatsnext2 · 10/07/2020 20:30

Article summarising pre existing/T cell immunity to Covid 2 , the known and unknown

www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0389-z

Jrobhatch29 · 10/07/2020 20:54

[quote whatsnext2]Article summarising pre existing/T cell immunity to Covid 2 , the known and unknown

www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0389-z[/quote]
God I hope that is true! I am an Early years teacher and have 3 kids under 7. I've been taking sneezes and coughs straight to the face for years🤣🤣... Some of them were bound to be coronavirus colds 🤣🤣

FurForksSake · 10/07/2020 22:08

"The dashboard lists 192 English districts (thankfully the figs for the 4 Bucks districts are still shown even though a new democracy destroying Bucks unitary is now in place). Just over 22 million people live in them. Confirmed cases in these districts was

2041 w/e 14th June
1672 w/e 1672 June
1151 w/e 1151 June

three sizeable week on week falls."

22 million people live in Chiltern, Aylesbury Vale, Wycombe and South Bucks? or 22 million live in the 192 areas? I am obviously reading that wrong, but off to look in the shed for these people. Actually thinking about it I am no longer in any, I don't have a county here.

I'm glad of this thread, the R rate going up no-longer phases me at all, Germany has had periods over 1, it is a bi-product of low numbers and is largely rubbish now.

Also like the idea of a health warning for Carlisle..

whenwillthemadnessend · 10/07/2020 22:23

That nature paper is very interesting. How amazing would it be if enough of us had memory cells to mean this will be the only wave. 🙏

BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2020 22:28

Unfortunately, that Nature article is blocked by my content blocker,
but sounds like it contradicts a previous analysis of scientific papers that I posted upthread,
which concluded that

"I think we should not fall back into wishful thinking that an underestimated T-cell immunity will resolve this pandemic."

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2020 22:31

That was by a virologist at Uni Geneva

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2020 22:34

Personally, I expect cases to remain low over summer,
but probably increasing new outbreaks in late autumn & winter,

However, with all that has been learned over the past months,
competent organisation & systems should be able to squash these locally and avoid too much community spread

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whenwillthemadnessend · 10/07/2020 23:04

I hope so big choc I hope so

crosseyedMary · 10/07/2020 23:49

Here's that article in case anyone else can't read it ....
(I think it sounds very interesting!)

crosseyedMary · 10/07/2020 23:49

T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 was observed in unexposed people; however, the source and clinical relevance of the reactivity remains unknown. It is speculated that this reflects T cell memory to circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses. It will be important to define specificities of these T cells and assess their association with COVID-19 disease severity and vaccine responses.

As data start to accumulate on the detection and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 T cell responses in humans, a surprising finding has been reported: lymphocytes from 20–50% of unexposed donors display significant reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 antigen peptide pools1,2,3,4.

In a study by Grifoni et al.1, reactivity was detected in 50% of donor blood samples obtained in the USA between 2015 and 2018, before SARS-CoV-2 appeared in the human population. T cell reactivity was highest against proteins other than the coronavirus spike protein, but T cell reactivity was also detected against spike. The SARS-CoV-2 T cell reactivity was mostly associated with CD4+ T cells, with a smaller contribution by CD8+ T cells1. Similarly, in a study of blood donors in the Netherlands, Weiskopf et al.2 detected CD4+ T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 spike peptides in 1 of 10 unexposed subjects and against SARS-CoV-2 non-spike peptides in 2 of 10 unexposed subjects. CD8+ T cell reactivity was observed in 1 of 10 unexposed donors. In a third study, from Germany, Braun et al.3 reported positive T cell responses against spike peptides in 34% of SARS-CoV-2 seronegative healthy donors (CD4+ and CD8+ T cells were not distinguished). Finally, a study of individuals in Singapore, by Le Bert et al.4, reported T cell responses to nucleocapsid protein nsp7 or nsp13 in 50% of subjects with no history of SARS, COVID-19, or contact with patients with SARS or COVID-19. A study by Meckiff using samples from the UK also detected reactivity in unexposed subjects5. Taken together, five studies report evidence of pre-existing T cells that recognize SARS-CoV-2 in a significant fraction of people from diverse geographical locations.

These early reports demonstrate that substantial T cell reactivity exists in many unexposed people; nevertheless, data have not yet demonstrated the source of the T cells or whether they are memory T cells. It has been speculated that the SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in unexposed individuals might originate from memory T cells derived from exposure to ‘common cold’ coronaviruses (CCCs), such as HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-229E, which widely circulate in the human population and are responsible for mild self-limiting respiratory symptoms. More than 90% of the human population is seropositive for at least three of the CCCs6. Thiel and colleagues3 reported that the T cell reactivity was highest against a pool of SARS-CoV-2 spike peptides that had higher homology to CCCs, but the difference was not significant.

What are the implications of these observations? The potential for pre-existing crossreactivity against COVID-19 in a fraction of the human population has led to extensive speculation. Pre-existing T cell immunity to SARS-CoV-2 could be relevant because it could influence COVID-19 disease severity. It is plausible that people with a high level of pre-existing memory CD4+ T cells that recognize SARS-CoV-2 could mount a faster and stronger immune response upon exposure to SARS-CoV-2 and thereby limit disease severity. Memory T follicular helper (TFH) CD4+ T cells could potentially facilitate an increased and more rapid neutralizing antibody response against SARS-CoV-2. Memory CD4+ and CD8+ T cells might also facilitate direct antiviral immunity in the lungs and nasopharynx early after exposure, in keeping with our understanding of antiviral CD4+ T cells in lungs against the related SARS-CoV7 and our general understanding of the value of memory CD8+ T cells in protection from viral infections. Large studies in which pre-existing immunity is measured and correlated with prospective infection and disease severity could address the possible role of pre-existing T cell memory against SARS-CoV-2.

If the pre-existing T cell immunity is related to CCC exposure, it will become important to better understand the patterns of CCC exposure in space and time. It is well established that the four main CCCs are cyclical in their prevalence, following multiyear cycles, which can differ across geographical locations8. This leads to the speculative hypothesis that differences in CCC geo-distribution might correlate with burden of COVID-19 disease severity. Furthermore, highly speculative hypotheses related to pre-existing memory T cells can be proposed regarding COVID-19 and age. Children are less susceptible to COVID-19 clinical symptoms. Older people are much more susceptible to fatal COVID-19. The reasons for both are unclear. The age distribution of CCC infections is not well established and CCC immunity should be examined in greater detail. These considerations underline how multiple variables may be involved in potential pre-existing partial immunity to COVID-19 and multiple hypotheses are worthy of further exploration, but caution should be exercised to avoid overgeneralizations or conclusions in the absence of data.

Pre-existing CD4+ T cell memory could also influence vaccination outcomes, leading to a faster or better immune response, particularly the development of neutralizing antibodies, which generally depend on T cell help. At the same time, pre-existing T cell memory could also act as a confounding factor, especially in relatively small phase I vaccine trials. For example, if subjects with pre-existing reactivity were assorted unevenly in different vaccine dose groups, this might lead to erroneous conclusions. Obviously, this could be avoided by considering pre-existing immunity as a variable to be considered in trial design. Thus, we recommend measuring pre-existing immunity in all COVID-19 vaccine phase I clinical trials. Of note, such experiments would also offer an exciting opportunity to ascertain the potential biological significance of pre-existing SARS-CoV-2-reactive T cells.

It is frequently assumed that pre-existing T cell memory against SARS-CoV-2 might be either beneficial or irrelevant. However, there is also the possibility that pre-existing immunity might actually be detrimental, through mechanisms such as ‘original antigenic sin’ (the propensity to elicit potentially inferior immune responses owing to pre-existing immune memory to a related pathogen), or through antibody-mediated disease enhancement. While there is no direct evidence to support these outcomes, they must be considered. A detrimental effect linked to pre-existing immunity is eminently testable and would be revealed by the same COVID-19 cohort and vaccine studies proposed above.

There is substantial data from the influenza literature indicating that pre-existing cross-reactive T cell immunity can be beneficial. In the case of the H1N1 influenza pandemic of 2009, it was noted that an unusual ‘V’-shaped age distribution curve existed for disease severity, with older people faring better than younger adults. This correlated with the circulation of a different H1N1 strain in the human population decades earlier, which presumably generated pre-existing immunity in people old enough to have been exposed to it. This was verified by showing that pre-existing immunity against H1N1 existed in the general human population9,10. It should be noted that if some degree of pre-existing immunity against SARS-CoV-2 exists in the general population, this could also influence epidemiological modelling, and suggests that a sliding scale model of COVID-19 susceptibility may be considered.

In conclusion, it is now established that SARS-CoV-2 pre-existing immune reactivity exists to some degree in the general population. It is hypothesized, but not yet proven, that this might be due to immunity to CCCs. This might have implications for COVID-19 disease severity, herd immunity and vaccine development, which still await to be addressed with actual data.

SplitterBug · 11/07/2020 06:39

I'm struggling to understand the Leicester situation, comparing the PHE maps posted upthread vs the new Zoe data.

PHE maps have Leicester standing out like a sore thumb. Zoe data have Leicester similar to many other areas.

Increased testing and case ascertainment in Leicester?
Poor uptake of Zoe app in worst-affected Leicester cohort?
Something else?

Derbygerbil · 11/07/2020 06:59

@SplitterBug

I think you post illustrates the shortcomings in Zoe data... Are those who are most susceptible to Covid due to their socio-economic position well sampled in Zoe? I suspect not.

Also, even if it did, are participant numbers high enough to identify a rise predominantly in one part of one city amongst one socio-economic group?

Derbygerbil · 11/07/2020 07:04

@BigChocFrenzy

Although the Nature article is more sanguine over the impact of T cells, the conclusion of the previous article still holds that: “I think we should not fall back into wishful thinking that an underestimated T-cell immunity will resolve this pandemic."

(though interestingly it also says that “ there is also the possibility that pre-existing immunity might actually be detrimental, through mechanisms such as ‘original antigenic sin’ (the propensity to elicit potentially inferior immune responses owing to pre-existing immune memory to a related pathogen), or through antibody-mediated disease enhancement.”!

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 07:05

I've always known that's a massive limitation with the Zoe data.

Only people interested in scientific data collection would bother with it.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 07:15

This was on a bbc report.

I can't believe it's taken this long to establish this?

The Department of Health says a data-sharing agreement has been reached with local authorities, which will give them access to the number of people testing positive in the community in their area.

Derbygerbil · 11/07/2020 07:16

US numbers continue to increase... up to 70,000+ new cases yesterday alone. That’s equivalent of the U.K. having 14,000 cases per day rather than the 5-600 we’ve having, and the US has massively higher levels of test positivity too!

I am surprised that the U.K. numbers are so low given there’s now appears to be an air of complacency amongst the population, and has been for a while... but then these things take time. And maybe it’s only the minority that are noisily “back to normal”, with social interaction continuing to be very low compared to how it was.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 07:16

www.bbc.com/news/uk-51768274

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 07:18

Dh read a list of % of mask wearers in various countries around tbe world. Eg Singapore, 95%. I was surprised to hear that the US has a much much higher rate of mask use. We were pathetically low, around 35%. Sweden and a few other places were lower still.

I'll try to find out what it was in.

Derbygerbil · 11/07/2020 07:30

We were pathetically low, around 35%.

Although this is pure conjecture as I’ve only once travelled out of area since lockdown, I suspect that 35% is concentrated in urban areas with high public transport use, in particular London, where I imagine mask use is pretty high. Back in rural Suffolk, with its relatively low cases compared to many others, usage is significantly below 35%.