Am I OTT or do other people just not care?!

[Lou0808]

Tonight on social media, I've seen several posts from "friends" (and by friends I mean Facebook friends, people from school who I've not actually seen or spoken to in a long time) who are having parties with absolutely zero social distancing.

One particular person has posted videos of people in her house, easily 20 people.
All doing karaoke, drinking shots, dancing.

Another post from a separate person is a picture being in a pub hugging three girls captioned "missed my besties"

A work colleague posted a picture of her young niece saying she's staying over at her house, again hugging her.

I don't mean to sound like the "fun" police. I know we've all desperately missed our friends and families, but the situation is never going to improve unless we follow the guidelines.

I have a 4 month old DD and I've love nothing more than for her to have a cuddle with my mum and her other grandparents, but I just wouldn't allow it.

I desperately miss my friends, I'd love to have them over and hug them, but I wouldn't do it.

Am I being over the top? Am I right for feeling pissed off at people just not following the rules?

I just feel like it's going to drag things out even longer if people just do as they please 😔

You are not being OTT

I have friends that are following the guidelines to the letter and then varying degrees of guideline following

(Thats been the most interesting part of this with some of my friends...people absolutely convinced they are following all the rules and then they say something which quite clearly shows they aren’t following the rules)

You're not being over the top, you're following the guidelines correctly, you're being sensible, you're being responsible and respectful.
It's not a case of "only you know best", the healthcare professionals and scientists know best and set the guidelines for us.
All these people (and I'm seeing the same social media posts) are being irresponsible and selfish and it's them who will cause the second wave that we will all pay for.
Meet up to six people if you are outside, meet one other household at a time inside, unless you already live with someone still keep the 2-metre distance when possible, otherwise at least 1 metre. It's simple to follow. Good for you and everyone else working to get rid of this awful virus. Shame on the others putting their own wants above everyone else's.

He had a full PM for other reasons, it wasn't caused by that for us x

I'm with you, we've met grandparents outside but kept our distance and no hugging, despite that being really hard on my daughter, mum and MIL.

[quote Atadaddicted]@spinningaround72

My father died 11 years ago.
He had crackling in his chest in weeks before he died
Cause of death - pneumonia[/quote]
It makes you wonder if with level mis reporting if so called covid deaths a lot less than being claimed

@user1497207191

Social distancing is Scientifically proven to be totally and utterly pointless

I’d love to see your scientific research that “proves” that Covid spreads the same amongst people in a packed indoor venue as it would if they were 2m apart on a beach...

I don’t think you’re being OTT. I’m sticking to the rules just as we all should be. A lot of people either don’t care what the rules are or are confused by all the changes. A lot of people are getting together and calling it a bubble now even though it’s not.
I’m finding myself getting more and more angry lately and it’s not the type of person I am. Their decisions affect us all and I feel like the ones sticking with the rules are a minority.

@EnlightenedOwl I have relatives who work in hospitals, A&E specifically, and they did tell me about 6weeks ago that if a patient had, for example, end stage cancer, but died in hospital and was covid 19 positive, their cause of death would be deemed covid 19. It's the same as pneumonia. Many people officially die of pneumonia, but they may have had other fatal conditions that led to them getting pneumonia.

[quote SqidgeBum]@EnlightenedOwl I have relatives who work in hospitals, A&E specifically, and they did tell me about 6weeks ago that if a patient had, for example, end stage cancer, but died in hospital and was covid 19 positive, their cause of death would be deemed covid 19. It's the same as pneumonia. Many people officially die of pneumonia, but they may have had other fatal conditions that led to them getting pneumonia.[/quote]
I have been told this too . That really puts a different slant on the reported figures

It makes you wonder if with level mis reporting if so called covid deaths a lot less than being claimed

If you’re correct, the excess death spike in April-May means there must have been another equally deadly disease with Covid-19 symptoms circulating alongside Covid-19 at the same time, but which no one has ever detected, that mysteriously only infected those who died with Covid symptoms that weren’t tested.

You aren't making sense

Here we go again.. people thinking the guidance is about individual risk (tick), people listing things that will be destroyed by exponential growth of the viurs as if the only risk to those things is actually our attempts to control the virus (tick).

I think it's about balance. I didn't go out yesterday but did have a friend over for coffee. The weather was horrible outside so it was lovely to be able to sit in the house and chat.

I'm going to the pub for lunch with DH today. I'm really looking forward to it. We'll have a nice roast and a few drinks. But many Mumsnetters, according to other threads, think this is outrageous behaviour and that everyone going to pubs do so to get falling down drunk and are unable to social distance. So do some in real life.

I actually feel a bit guilty for doing something normal and allowable which is ridiculous. We need to be careful about hygiene and social distance but we also need to start to live normal lives again.

The thing is though, our country has let over 60,000 die in the past 4 months and now there are fewer extremely vulnerable people around to cop it. Are there any extremely vulnerable people left? Or are we now onto the very vulnerable? Fewer people will die now because they've been cleared out. Collateral damage. Hurrah, we've got the daily death toll down

This is not the back end of the Amazon Forest where medicine has not reached yet. This is not a poverty stricken, 3rd world country. This is not a country at war. This is Britain, with loads of money in the pot and a lauded healthcare system and we let 60,000 die because our country is just chaos, run by buffoons.

What an absolute shambles.

I'm sorry I don't get why we have to lose our jobs, freedoms for something restricted to elderly people and certain groups

The situation is not helped by a government intent on gaslighting the public. The messages are deliberately confusing, one minute opening pubs on Independence Day saying whoop whoop party time and riling everyone up for a celebration then saying oh don't go too mad. The aim is to distract and sow division so that that we are all to busy arguing and blaming each other rather than looking at their failures. Exactly what is happening in America. We are being played for fools.

@Stellakent

I think it's about balance. I didn't go out yesterday but did have a friend over for coffee. The weather was horrible outside so it was lovely to be able to sit in the house and chat.

I'm going to the pub for lunch with DH today. I'm really looking forward to it. We'll have a nice roast and a few drinks. But many Mumsnetters, according to other threads, think this is outrageous behaviour and that everyone going to pubs do so to get falling down drunk and are unable to social distance. So do some in real life.

I actually feel a bit guilty for doing something normal and allowable which is ridiculous. We need to be careful about hygiene and social distance but we also need to start to live normal lives again.

I don't see anything wrong in what you're doing.

Pubs and restaurants are open for people to use and enjoy.
There's SD measures in place.

I think the issue is people who just choose to ignore that and do what they please.

My friend is a self employed beautician and isn't able to open her salon, seeing people having these large gatherings and paying to attention to the "rules" Is a huge kick in the teeth for her!!

Enjoy your roast!!! ☺️

I feel the same as you and I've been very careful and cautious even whilst continuing to work as a keyworker. I cant believe peoples lack of care about it.
I agree with the fact that the lockdown has many detrimental effects, many I have experienced first hand. But as someone commented 'how is partying and ignoring social distancing going to solve these'.
Surely just prolong and worsen them.

@Stellakent I actually feel a bit guilty for doing something normal and allowable which is ridiculous. We need to be careful about hygiene and social distance but we also need to start to live normal lives again.'

I agree. This idea of not seeing anyone, sitting inside waiting for a virus to disappear, and judging people who are trying to get back to some vague normality is a bit ridiculous. This virus isnt going anywhere. If you are waiting for the all clear, you will be waiting a long time. The lockdown was about stretching things so the impact on the nhs was lessened. It wasnt about sitting in your sitting room until it's all over. We all have to be careful and use our common sense, but life has to start resuming to some degree at some point, for the economy and our own mental health as humans.

YANBU OP.
I’ve had to hide all my friends and family on social media not following the rules. My feed is pretty empty as a result.
I can’t stand the attitude of some people. It’s not about common sense or applying your own risk assessment. It about following the guidance for the benefit of everyone.
Where I live the R is pretty close to 1 so I’m actually hoping for a tighter lockdown. I want my child to start their new school year at school. The way people are behaving, that’s looking pretty unlikely.

Amazed at those insisting social distancing is pointless when there’s evidence about contagion risk at different distances apart.

Why let the facts get in the way though eh

Why wouldn’t you allow your grandparents to cuddle your daughter? If they and you haven’t been anywhere what are you going to spread? Also, in Scotland children under 12 are now exempt from social distancing and given we’ve been more cautious here even if it’s not strictly covered by the rules.

I’ve been sticking by the rules but I am really so past caring about all this crap now and couldn’t care less what other people do. I can’t control them so I don’t waste the head space on it. And even if it does cause an increase, we can hardly stay locked down forever. People have done enough, the government need to just get on with it now.

I'm sorry I don't get why we have to lose our jobs, freedoms for something restricted to elderly people and certain groups

What, certain groups like people who are disabled, who have MS, who have cancer, who have other diseases? All groups that you could quite easily become part of yourself.

Personally I won't compromise anything in my life for that intolerable group - the massive selfish and entitled.

@PermanentCobOn

I'm sorry I don't get why we have to lose our jobs, freedoms for something restricted to elderly people and certain groups

What, certain groups like people who are disabled, who have MS, who have cancer, who have other diseases? All groups that you could quite easily become part of yourself.

Personally I won't compromise anything in my life for that intolerable group - the massive selfish and entitled.

They can shield can't they

@FizzFan

Why wouldn’t you allow your grandparents to cuddle your daughter? If they and you haven’t been anywhere what are you going to spread? Also, in Scotland children under 12 are now exempt from social distancing and given we’ve been more cautious here even if it’s not strictly covered by the rules.

I’ve been sticking by the rules but I am really so past caring about all this crap now and couldn’t care less what other people do. I can’t control them so I don’t waste the head space on it. And even if it does cause an increase, we can hardly stay locked down forever. People have done enough, the government need to just get on with it now.

You are right